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Using the recipe in my signature, I get 20 lbs of boost and zero knock. In addition, I have an SMC alky kit sitting in the box. In a nutshell, I'm wondering:

1. How far I can turn up the boost and...

2. If putting on the alky kit is going to improve anything.

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hmmmmmmm i would like to know that answer myself...i am afraid of blowing gaskets at only 17 lbs of boost with my fuel system upgrades soon! should i even worry? 75K mile car

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If putting on the alky kit is going to improve anything.

Hell! I want to know how your able to run 20lb's boost without it!

Only thing you have I dont is modded IC & Trans +.


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I've unintentionally run as high as 33 psi and the headgaskets held. My "usual" boost level at the track is 27-28 on a 28-degree timing chip with no knock on VP C-16. The motor is still original with 154,700 miles (and a lot of passes) and has never been apart.

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I ran 27psi with the stock turbo one night at a track rental. When I used 30* of timing and that much boost, the heads lifted but the gaskets didn't blow.

Then a few weeks later, I was messing around on the street and accidently ran the car too lean. When I hit the lockup switch I heard a big boom. Blew number 3 and number 6. That was only 20psi and 18* timing. Go figure.

Stock gaskets are pretty tough.

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woohoo...so what I should look into is never lean the car and try to get 0 knock with whatever boost i decide to go up to...good rules to follow i guess
man these cars sure are durable aren't they? too bad all the other parts couldn't be like the head gaskets and hardly fail!!!


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1987 Buick Grand National - 75,000 miles, Stock engine: Poston chromed MAF pipe, homemade cold air induction system w/ 9" K&N air filter behind headlights, Poston 3" Downpipe with high-flow CAT and test pipe, 2.5" Hooker cat-back exhaust system, adjustable wastegate actuator set at 14 lbs of boost on 93 octane, K&N breather by-pass kit, stock chip, throttle body coolant lines blocked, 160 degree thermostat, CR43TS spark plugs, BFG P255/60/R15 all-weather rear tires...winter upgrades coming soon: 009 42.5 lb/hr fuel injectors, Walbro 340 fuel pump + hotwire kit, Accufab adj. fuel regulator, some kind of scan tool; first track times next spring=(

1995 Mercury Cougar XR7 - 87,000 miles, Stock 4.6L V8 Engine: dual exhaust out the rear, modified air-box with cold air induction, modified chip, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, P245/70/R16 all-weather rear tires

"Have U Been Beat...By A Grand National Lately?" <--many have been

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The only parts that are susceptible to failure after many miles are the sensors.

The engine is relatively bulletproof-again, detonation must be avoided. At 17# of boost, it may only nick your headgaskets gradually but at 27# it happens quickly. It is also hard on the bearings as it hammers the rods back against the crank.

With regard to gasket types, I am not sure that more people not had better luck with the stock type than some of the aftermarket o-ringed type but that is probably due to improper installation.

I use the factory shim on my cars...just one for more compression and believe they work well.

Remember, if something is not right, it is often better to blow a gasket than the drive over the crank....



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I was sitting in the passenger seat of my buddies 87 T and I watched a 30 psi boost gauge get pinned and the engine held together with no ill effects. Although this is not something I recomend. That was also on pump gas, the waste gate hose fell off the turbo.
I was also at the track this year and was standing right beside the stage line to watch another 86 T-Type launch to see if he was getting excessive wheel spin, and I was treated to a headgasket going off 10 feet away from me. That was freakin' loud. That was imideatly followig a 12.4 run.
 

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Originally posted by fast86:
Hell! I want to know how your able to run 20lb's boost without it!
Trust me.....it's luck!

Thanks for the replies, guys. From the above statements, I'm guessing that 25 to 27 lbs of knockless boost won't create an overpressure situation. I was told, by a friend, to not take it over 20 lbs.

Geez.....that's 50 to 70 more horses!
 

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Locally, Ryan Guy runs over 30psi with stock or stock-type gaskets. Well, before Vegas, anyway... Dan Powell runs up to 33psi with an untouched longblock.
 

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Well, I found the limit. Last night, I got her up to 22 lbs of knockless boost on pump gas. 23 lbs gave me 1.5* to 2.0* of knock, so I returned to 22 lbs. Again, I'm getting an occasional 1* to 1.5* of knock, but I'm convinced that it's false knock from a rattling DP.
 

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I was thinking the same thing. Well...not about the specific conditions (i.e. bad gas), but the margin thing. I'm dropping her down to 21 lbs today. Thanks again.
 

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Originally posted by Orlando_87GN:
I ran 27psi with the stock turbo one night at a track rental. When I used 30* of timing and that much boost, the heads lifted but the gaskets didn't blow.


Stock gaskets are pretty tough.

I'm still trying to figure out how you determined that the heads "lifted"???? Some magical "head lift" guage we don't know about?



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God awful sound like open headers when the car hit 3rd gear through the end of the pass. Did it on about 4 runs in a row and when I couldn't figure out what the noise was, I switched back to 18* timing. Car ran the same times with no noise.

That and some really loose head bolts. 1/2 on a few, 1/4 turn on most.

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