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Which spools faster, the TE45 or TE63? This is for a dailey driven street car, so it should retain proper street manners and edicate ;D Also, anyone who has either please feel free to interject with any info or complications I should know about with either of these.


Also, how can I contact John Craig?

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The 45 and the 63 are the same turbo[unless that's changed,heard rumors Craig uses a 66 mm wheel now instead of a 63 mm].I would go with the Craig unit if I were you.However,you may want to contact Jack Cotton[1-800-639-0531].He's now carrying the Innovative Turbo line.Real good looking stuff.

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I agree with the John Craig turbo also. For some reason I have always heard that the 63E was a slow spooler, but not the 45, Still same turbo? I had the oportunity to drive a heavily modded t type with a 63E and it did spool slightly slower(AC 9in.) than my TE45(PI 9.5in.) I now have a BT 9/11 and spools even faster now.

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GN 1 heads & intake,1.65 T&D's, 210/210 , JC TE-45,TH DP, V2 IC, PMAC, PI 9.5 LU,Stage Right, 72# MSD,Dual intank pumps,Max Effort, Hooker Exhaust

436 hp 549 ft tq
@ 19-20 psi,100 octane,20deg new time 11.28 118 mph

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Ahh, all these acronyms, what is a BT 9/11?
also, what is a good stall for a TE45?
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Bruce Toelle (Performance Transmissions) 9"/11" converter....has a nine each converter grafted onto an 11" clutch.....I have one as do several others.

I think a 3400/3500 rpm converter is pretty much ideal for the 45. I ran mine with a 3000 rpm 9.5" converter for awhile and it was livable but really too tight for spool unless I was standing on the brake and winding it up....was okay on the road in 3rd gear but from a slow roll it did not spool until about 3400.



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I concur with Steve.My BT 9-11 is a 3800 stall. It really woke up the whole combo and it comes on like right now! I really liked my Vigilante,("0") worked perfect with a PTE 53 and 54, but never really right with the TE 45.

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GN 1 heads & intake,1.65 T&D's, 210/210 , JC TE-45,TH DP, V2 IC, PMAC, PI 9.5 LU,Stage Right, 72# MSD,Dual intank pumps,Max Effort, Hooker Exhaust

436 hp 549 ft tq
@ 19-20 psi,100 octane,20deg new time 11.28 118 mph

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How would this spool compared to my current setup? I heard lag was an issue with larger turbos.



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Lag is an issue with big turbos, if you do not have enough stall or good tune.Ive never driven a car with a 44 so i cannot fairly compare.But one thing i do know. For anything over a PTE 51-54 a true 32-3400 converter is a must. Like i said before, my Vigilante and either a 53 or 54 exibited no unacceptable lag.

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1987 GN
GN 1 heads & intake,1.65 T&D's, 210/210 , JC TE-45,TH DP, V2 IC, PMAC, PI 9.5 LU,Stage Right, 72# MSD,Dual intank pumps,Max Effort, Hooker Exhaust

436 hp 549 ft tq
@ 19-20 psi,100 octane,20deg new time 11.28 118 mph

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My 9/11 is 3800 rpm too but it does not seem "loose" on the road.

The experience that I have had with a 44 is that they will work fine with a properly stalling stock converter but do even better with 2600-2800 rpm 12" converter.

The 51 that I have some experience with likes a 3000 rpm 9.5 converter altho some have said they worked okay with a tighter 12". The total combination and tuning surely has something to do with it.



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Ok, I may have missed something here
, but from what I am getting, a large turbo with the right stall will spool just as fast as a smaller turbo?


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Yup.

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Maybe not....but still fast enough to be enjoyable. It will spool as soon as the rpm reaches the required level...this can take a split second if you are at 2000 rpm and the engine needs to rev up to 3500 before the turbo will spool....whereas a small turbo might spool at 2300 so it takes less time to get there.

Watch some of the big turbos on the line when the driver stands on the gas...first second or two nothing happens and suddenly you hear the turbo scream so the spool is not instant...it waits on the engine first.

Turbos such as we are talking about are not nearly as obvious.



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Thats a good point Steve
. So would a TE45 with a good 3400 stall have apperant power increases over my current combo? Or would the stall require more engine to make it less slushy under normal driving conditions?



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In certain situations, it may feel slightly slushy but not irritatingly so.

I am running the 45 with a 3800 rpm converter as above...and when I drive my son's car with the 44 and 2800 rpm converter, I can see it is a bit more responsive at light pedal changes. When he drives my car, he thinks it feels much better than his...

As I said in one of these posts....the converter does not feel that loose. If I leave at zero boost, it stalls to about 2850. His would stall to about 2400.

But I can put my foot on the brake and go to 3800 if I want to.

Driving down the road, I only gain about 250 rpm when the converter unlocks...

When I give mine significant pedal while cruising, there is no hesitation. It is gone.



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Just curious, Steve, but what kind of timeslips are you running?




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I have not been to the strip since I changed cams and turbos...

probably won't hook up with the Eibachs but maybe some of the suspension work I have done will help, tho'.

Based on some of the street races against known cars...looks like it should do some 11.0s but it doesn't count unless you can produce a timing slip!


I am waiting on a set of 72's now (injectors) so I can crank the boost up with some insurance room over the current 50's.

I am running 22-23# spraying alky at the moment.



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Nice
, just curious though, what is the sweet spot in boost PSI for the TE45? I would imagine it to be 28-30?

Btw, off topic again, but is there anything I could do to my computer to allow for low impedence injectors?




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