[STOMPN 6]

I've been watching this on the news this morning and it is such a joke.

1. They will have to pay back taxes on 3 of 5 years they have been here - and they get to chose which 3 they pay the taxes on.

2. They have to sign a sworn statement that say's when they arrived in the US - And if any law enforcement tries to follow up to find out if they are telling the truth they, will be fined $10,000.

3. Once they are given the green card and are hired by an employer - The employer has to pay them more then what he pays any American citizen employee that he has working for him.

There are something like 12 to 16 of these dumb laws in this bill that gives the illegal immigrants more rights than an American citizen that was born here and has lived here all there life.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsst...20060526/44767d40_3ca6_1552620060526277366939

 

[2 qk 4 u]

I've been watching this on the news this morning and it is such a joke.

1. They will have to pay back taxes on 3 of 5 years they have been here - and they get to chose which 3 they pay the taxes on.

2. They have to sign a sworn statement that say's when they arrived in the US - And if any law enforcement tries to follow up to find out if they are telling the truth they, will be fined $10,000.

3. Once they are given the green card and are hired by an employer - The employer has to pay them more then what he pays any American citizen employee that he has working for him.

There are something like 12 to 16 of these dumb laws in this bill that gives the illegal immigrants more rights than an American citizen that was born here and has lived here all there life.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsst...20060526/44767d40_3ca6_1552620060526277366939

This is a unreal! #3 Really gets me going on the rant about this subject.

God Bless AmericO :rant:

 

[STOMPN 6]

I just seen on the news that Mexico's president approves of this new immigration bill.

What a surprise! Hell it gives his people more than they could ask for.

I'm going to vote against everyone that's in office right now in the next election. :yup: It couldn't get any worse than it is now. :dunno: :rant:

 

[Racer X]

Item #3 on the surface pisses me off, however, looking at from the employers stand point...

If you have to suddenly pay them more than American citizens, then why would one continue to employ them. If I were an employer in that position, I would cut the Illegals loose in favor of 'cheaper' American labor.

Without jobs, they will all go back home (hopefully).

I really feel like our politicians are selling us out in a huge way that borders on sedition. I can not believe how much our Presidente Vicente W. Bush lets Mexico dictate policy. Really boggles my mind.

 

[ULYCYC]

You can't base wages on race or citizen status. All the constitutional lawyers would have a field day with that. This bill will never get finalized

 

[The Radius Kid]

You can't base wages on race or citizen status. All the constitutional lawyers would have a field day with that. This bill will never get finalized

Point #1 is a laugh in itself.
Gee,I wish I could only pay taxes on my worst three years.
That's discrimatory in itself.

 

[Gothmog]

Both party's want the same thing-Nothing. The GOP wants to keep this lifeline of cheap labor flowing to corporate american, and the DEM want to stay the party of minorities so no boat rocking from them.
So they're only pretending to work on this problem.

once again the will of the american people to protect the border is ignored by our elected officials.

 

[stevemon]

My friend sent me this:


>The voting records of the senators who voted for the amnesty and for
>the consulting of the Mexican Presidente before we can build any
>wall/walls/etc. If your state is blank that means both your Senators
>voted against the bill!
>
>God help us in the House!
>
> Alabama:
>
> Alaska:
> Stevens (R-AK), Yea
>
> Arizona:
> McCain (R-AZ), Yea
>
> Arkansas:
> Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
> Pryor (D-AR), Yea
>
> California:
> Boxer (D-CA), Yea
> Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
>
> Colorado:
> Salazar (D-CO), Yea
>
> Connecticut:
> Dodd (D-CT), Yea
> Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
>
> Delaware:
> Biden (D-DE), Yea
> Carper (D-DE), Yea
>
> Florida:
> Martinez (R-FL), Yea
>
> Georgia:
>
> Hawaii:
> Akaka (D-HI), Yea
> Inouye (D-HI), Yea
>
> Idaho:
>
> Illinois:
> Durbin (D-IL), Yea
> Obama (D-IL), Yea
>
> Indiana:
> Bayh (D-IN), Yea
> Lugar (R-IN), Yea
>
> Iowa:
> Harkin (D-IA), Yea
>
> Kansas:
> Brownback (R-KS), Yea
>
> Kentucky:
>
> Louisiana:
> Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
>
> Maine:
>
> Maryland:
> Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
> Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
>
> Massachusetts:
> Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
> Kerry (D-MA), Yea
>
> Michigan:
> Levin (D-MI), Yea
> Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
>
> Minnesota:
>
> Mississippi:
>
> Missouri:
>
> Montana:
> Baucus (D-MT), Yea
>
> Nebraska:
> Hagel (R-NE), Yea
>
> Nevada:
> Reid (D-NV), Yea
>
> New Hampshire:
>
> New Jersey:
> Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
> Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
>
> New Mexico:
> Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
>
> New York:
> Clinton (D-NY), Yea
> Schumer (D-NY), Yea
>
> North Carolina:
>
> North Dakota:
> Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
>
> Ohio:
> DeWine (R-OH), Yea
> Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
>
> Oklahoma:
>
> Oregon:
> Wyden (D-OR), Yea
>
> Pennsylvania:
> Specter (R-PA), Yea
>
> Rhode Island:
> Chafee (R-RI), Yea
> Reed (D-RI), Yea
>
> South Carolina:
> Graham (R-SC), Yea
>
> South Dakota:
> Johnson (D-SD), Yea
>
> Tennessee:
>
> Texas:
>
> Utah:
>
> Vermont:
> Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
> Leahy (D-VT), Yea
>
> Virginia:
>
> Washington:
> Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
> Murray (D-WA), Yea
>
> West Virginia:
> Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
>
> Wisconsin:
> Feingold (D-WI), Yea
> Kohl (D-WI), Yea
>
> Wyoming:

 

[pat83t]

You can't base wages on race or citizen status. All the constitutional lawyers would have a field day with that. This bill will never get finalized

They can always use the argument that they are bi-lingual. I know bi-lingual employees at most retailers get paid extra. :crazy:

 

[wmsonta]

The Senate bill has to be reconciled with the House version next.

The entire House is up for re-election this fall.

Have problems? Do not like your representation? Like to tell your Congressman a thing or two?

202/224-3121

Want some good advice? Don't curse and for sure do not threaten.

 

[Zap]

The Senate bill has to be reconciled with the House version next.

The entire House is up for re-election this fall.

Have problems? Do not like your representation? Like to tell your Congressman a thing or two?

202/224-3121

Want some good advice? Don't curse and for sure do not threaten.

What about a good ol person-to-person ass kicking?
:sw:

Geez...I think Gothmog is correct on this one.

 

[wmsonta]

What about a good ol person-to-person ass kicking?
:sw:

Geez...I think Gothmog is correct on this one.

He is correct if we do nothing. The only reason the House passed a tough enforcement bill is they are all up for re-election. The 4 Dem's in the Senate that voted against the senate bill are all up for re-election. They feel the pressure or they would have done nothing. Take a stand or

"if the Foo $hits, wear it"

 

[87GTA-turbo]

I am tired of being the pussified, benevolent Nation...

Look at this wacko writes:

"Don't fence U.S. in
By Robin Hoover Thu May 25, 7:34 AM ET

Since 1994, law enforcement has failed to reduce the average number of people crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by even one person per year. Universities attest to the migration pattern.

OUR VIEW: Fence needed at high-traffic points

No matter how many agents, no matter how much infrastructure, and no matter how many tools and toys have been given to do the job, nothing has worked. Nothing.

Border fences might contribute to a perception of stability in border communities as far as local law enforcement is concerned, but they do not deter border crossers in the whole. They move migrants around a bit, but the U.S. Border Patrol union opposes the walls precisely because they are ineffective.

The proposed fences are very expensive. When we consider all of the expenses that are being proposed to reduce the amount of illegal immigration through enforcement, it's obvious that the United States will eventually come to a time of diminishing returns. It might already be cheaper to go to the Mexican city of Nogales, for instance, and give away $5 bills than it is to continue to practice deterrence.

Border fences are an affront to the Mexican government and the Mexican people. We are not at war with Mexico, and, hopefully, we won't incite one.

Humane Borders is a humanitarian organization dedicated to trying to save lives. We operate with permits to be on public lands. We don't get in the way of law enforcement. We are funded in part by government. We try to reduce costs by reducing the numbers of people who end up in emergency rooms, operating rooms and the morgue.

The bottom line for us is that the fences will increase the number of migrant deaths. In just the past few days, men, women and children have died preventable deaths. The youngest was a 3-year-old boy.

Migrant feet will find the ends of the fences. Migrants will cross inhospitable country and be exposed to the elements for longer periods of time. More migrants will die. Face it, the fences are a public works project, not a project that works.

Robin Hoover is president of Humane Borders and pastor of First Christian Church in Tucson."

What he brushes over very quickly with this comment:
"Humane Borders is a humanitarian organization dedicated to trying to save lives. We operate with permits to be on public lands. We don't get in the way of law enforcement."
Is that they render aid to illegal entrants with food, water, probably directions; and who knows maybe in the future ....social security numbers

 

[Racer X]

I agree with that Wacko. A fence is not the answer. It will cost far too much to build. We should just start ENFORCING the existing laws, like fines for employers working Illegals. Take away the incentive and the money trail and they will leave.

:usa:

 

[87GTA-turbo]

I agree with that Wacko. A fence is not the answer. It will cost far too much to build. We should just start ENFORCING the existing laws, like fines for employers working Illegals. Take away the incentive and the money trail and they will leave.
:usa:

Well its a good thing I posted that story this way you can visit Humaneborders.com and donate money or take some time off work to go to Tuscon replentish watering stations, hand out food, and render first aid to "migrants" and they also pick up their trash too.

I wonder if you told someone was definately going to steal your car; would you leave it outside with the doors unlocked, and not invest in an alarm because it wasnt in your budget?

P.S. They never tell you the huge number people they encounter on the border that arent from Mexico. Its a security issue not immigrant.

 

[Racer X]

Well it looks like you missed my point. I live in Southern California so I am far more aware of what's going on than you might be in South Caroilina. Where did I say anything close to sympathizing with the Illegals? I want the border secure far more than you know for a lot of reasons.

Go ahead and build your walls at a huge cost because they are tunneling under the border anyway. I am also well aware of the security issues at hand, but didn't the 911 guys come down from Canada? Better build a wall there as well.

It's NOT just a security issue. It's a financial issue as well. The Illegals come up here and use our ER Rooms as medical care to the point that here in SoCal we are closing ER Rooms left and right. The Education system is collapsing under the weight of the Illegals.

I am fully aware of the situation since I am living in the middle of it.

:usa:

 

[stevemon]

I think we have to take steps to remove all who are here illegally.
Go into any major city and you'll find mile upon mile of Mexican owned businesses. Their economy is practically self sustaining and while there would be a huge downturn if hiring illegals were stopped, I feel that pactice would just give way to an escalation of illegal activities (drugs, porn, etc) which makes the whole thing worse.
Actually a rise in illegal activities would be the best case scenario IMO. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see rioting in the streets such as we saw in Paris a few months ago.

 

[Racer X]

The riots are coming and they are coming sooner than we would like. There is severe tension between the Mexican and Black communities here.

 

[Gothmog]

I, I feel that pactice would just give way to an escalation of illegal activities (drugs, porn, etc) .

PORN IS ILLEGAL??? :eek!: I better clean out my house before I'm arrested!

 

[The Radius Kid]

Go ahead and build your walls at a huge cost because they are tunneling under the border anyway. I am also well aware of the security issues at hand, but didn't the 911 guys come down from Canada? Better build a wall there as well.

:usa:

Nope.