The Liberal Life

[87GTA-turbo]

I want to know why the liberals are screaming mad at ExxonMobil for making a large profit, yet they employ thousands of people worldwide, produce useful products, and ANYONE IS able to buy into shares of their company.
But they never utter a word against people like Oprah who makes 1.3 million dollars A WEEK (!) by sitting on a couch talking to people.........

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by 87GTA-turbo

I want to know why the liberals are screaming mad at ExxonMobil for making a large profit, yet they employ thousands of people worldwide, produce useful products, and ANYONE IS able to buy into shares of their company.
But they never utter a word against people like Oprah who makes 1.3 million dollars A WEEK (!) by sitting on a couch talking to people.........

the question is why does ExxonMobil get to write their own ticket..why are they able to determine their own profits while other corporations have to compete and innovate to make regular profit, let alone OBSCENE profit.

[87GTA-turbo]

the question is why does Oprah and other Hollyweirders get to write their own ticket?..why are they able to determine their own profits while in other industries people have to compete and innovate to make regular profit, let alone OBSCENE profit.
Not to mention the product hollypood puts out is empty headed left slanted crap.

[Steve Wood]

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46

Democrats are bleeding hearts who believe rich people should support these "poor" people. In addition to this, liberals want to portray rich people as evil people who need to be punished by taking their money away and distributing it to the poor.

Naturally, I disagree to some extent.

Liberals, as we often use the term, are to the far left of the average democrat on the street. This is not a democrat versus republican issue. It is a power play by the unworthy.

These Liberals are often rich themselves and they don't really give a damn for the ordinary man as they hold themselves far superior in both intellect and social stature to him.

A few of these Liberals may have actually done something productive in life to earn their money...there are always exceptions to the rule....but, many are a generation, or more, descended from the actual individuals who created the wealth unless they are the hobby Liberals that married into it.


These Liberals don't understand the working man at all. They often have no knowledge of the free enterprise system other than they believe they somehow deserve the wealth they wield, but, did not earn, and they wish to create a system where they are powerful and respected in their own worthless right.

They profess to know what is right for the common man, and, a massive public welfare system is an excellent tool to create a loyal base of followers that will vote for them without regard for actual achievement as long as the welfare check shows up on time and the bank can cash it.

I fail to understand how anyone that has never done a day's work whether it be digging a ditch, running a business, or outsmarting the stock market, can claim to know what is best for the man on the street. The remoteness of position to reality is appalling.

I find it strange, and somewhat bemusing, that these leftwing Liberal leaders actually seem to consider themselves royalty rather than of the masses. Prior generations of leaders of the masses arose from the masses.

Public welfare, on the scale that we know it, is one of the greatest threats to the nation as we used to know it. It has helped create the current influx of illegal migrants that fill the void created by the welfare system. It has helped destroy the industrial backbone of the country as industry after industry has foundered as it was replaced by offshore entities.

FDR put the nation to work with government programs when the world economy was in the ditch. Today's leaders profess that such programs are demeaning to the self esteem of the individual and wish to put the masses on an auto pay for no work which is far more demeaning, but, it insures a paid voter base that will keep our new royalty in office for life...or so the dream goes.

[Sylvan]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

the question is why does ExxonMobil get to write their own ticket..why are they able to determine their own profits while other corporations have to compete and innovate to make regular profit, let alone OBSCENE profit.

An 8% turnaround is obscene? Y'know, it's not a monopoly, they *do* have competing companies. I will give you this, though- they did manage to get into a business that can hold our economy by the nuts. If we'd been pursuing all the energy available to us all along we wouldn't be in this mess...but I guess somebody thinks they saw an Ivory Billed Woodpecker somewhere so that's been put on hold. This country didn't get where it is by NOT utilizing what's available to us.

[Buicksx2]

Originally Posted by Steve Wood

Naturally, I disagree to some extent.

Liberals, as we often use the term, are to the far left of the average democrat on the street. This is not a democrat versus republican issue. It is a power play by the unworthy.

These Liberals are often rich themselves and they don't really give a damn for the ordinary man as they hold themselves far superior in both intellect and social stature to him.

A few of these Liberals may have actually done something productive in life to earn their money...there are always exceptions to the rule....but, many are a generation, or more, descended from the actual individuals who created the wealth unless they are the hobby Liberals that married into it.


These Liberals don't understand the working man at all. They often have no knowledge of the free enterprise system other than they believe they somehow deserve the wealth they wield, but, did not earn, and they wish to create a system where they are powerful and respected in their own worthless right.

They profess to know what is right for the common man, and, a massive public welfare system is an excellent tool to create a loyal base of followers that will vote for them without regard for actual achievement as long as the welfare check shows up on time and the bank can cash it.

I fail to understand how anyone that has never done a day's work whether it be digging a ditch, running a business, or outsmarting the stock market, can claim to know what is best for the man on the street. The remoteness of position to reality is appalling.

I find it strange, and somewhat bemusing, that these leftwing Liberal leaders actually seem to consider themselves royalty rather than of the masses. Prior generations of leaders of the masses arose from the masses.

Public welfare, on the scale that we know it, is one of the greatest threats to the nation as we used to know it. It has helped create the current influx of illegal migrants that fill the void created by the welfare system. It has helped destroy the industrial backbone of the country as industry after industry has foundered as it was replaced by offshore entities.

FDR put the nation to work with government programs when the world economy was in the ditch. Today's leaders profess that such programs are demeaning to the self esteem of the individual and wish to put the masses on an auto pay for no work which is far more demeaning, but, it insures a paid voter base that will keep our new royalty in office for life...or so the dream goes.

>>> Correct once again Steve and I am voting for you in November, let's all vote for the Wood n Palin ticket in 2008

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by Sylvan

An 8% turnaround is obscene? .

nah, I guess you're right, most americans probably agree that the oil companies are struggling along just like the rest of us

[Steve Wood]

Most Americans would agree that oil company profits are less obscene than many companies if they were told the truth rather than the obscene lies that you pass off as truth.

[Sylvan]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

nah, I guess you're right, most americans probably agree that the oil companies are struggling along just like the rest of us

/\ /\ /\Do you really not see the bitterness toward the success of others in this post?

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by Sylvan

/\ /\ /\Do you really not see the bitterness toward the success of others in this post?

I admire success. People who innovate, invent or otherwise build a better mousetrap. Those people should be rewarded with huge profits- people like Bill Gates...I have no respect for Big Oil that sits around in a room and decides that they can make more profit if they simply all agree to raise the price- real innovation there

[GNVYUS 1]

Common Goth, it takes a lot of knowledge to get oil of out of the ground and tons and tons of money upfront just for a hope that it's a success. Think of what profession needs to find the oil underground, then the people needed to engineer and produce the machines to extract it, those to run the rigs and distribution though piping it around the country etc.

I don't mind the profits when you see what it takes to get oil out of the ground 3 to 6 miles down and that without energy it's hard for Bill Gates to turn on a light to see his computer and begin his billion dollar empire.

What about a gallon of milk, same or more expensive than oil yet I used to visit my Uncle who'd milk the cows with basic education and tools yet we complain about oil 3 miles deep in the earth that eventually needs to show up at a gas pump in a completely different form.

[Texas Turbo T]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

nah, I guess you're right, most americans probably agree that the oil companies are struggling along just like the rest of us

What percentage of money does the government get compared to the oil companies?

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by GNVYUS 1

What about a gallon of milk, same or more expensive than oil yet I used to visit my Uncle who'd milk the cows with basic education and tools yet we complain about oil 3 miles deep in the earth that eventually needs to show up at a gas pump in a completely different form.

the difference is that if your uncle decided to sell his gallon of milk for $6, everyone would laugh at him and buy it from someone else. we dont get that option

[Steve Wood]

Once again, Gothmog ignores reality in order to pursue his holy war against free enterprise.

Oil companies do not set the price of oil. They never have. Once there was competition with a multitude of suppliers and buyers that set the price thru competitive bidding.

Today, the price is manipulated by a monopoly of national oil companies rather than Exxon, or any other private company. The supplier manipulates supply and oil is priced by buyers and speculators...Private companies have virtually no input on the price paid other than what market forces dictate.

Gothmog knows this, but, it does not fit in with his agenda. He would have nothing to launch tirades against if he admitted the truth. He probably would like to see the US industry nationalized and run by the government. This would be an exercise in futility as such a large percentage of the oil comes from overseas that the only effect would be a higher price at the pump as government inefficiency further runs up the cost of distribution.

Well, that would not be the only effect as a very large number of employees of private companies would suddenly be without work as the major distributors like Exxon relocate their business entities to freer countries.

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by Steve Wood

Once again, Gothmog ignores reality in order to pursue his holy war against free enterprise.

Oil companies do not set the price of oil. They never have. Once there was competition with a multitude of suppliers and buyers that set the price thru competitive bidding.

Today, the price is manipulated by a monopoly of national oil companies rather than Exxon, or any other private company. The supplier manipulates supply and oil is priced by buyers and speculators...Private companies have virtually no input on the price paid other than what market forces dictate.

Gothmog knows this, but, it does not fit in with his agenda. He would have nothing to launch tirades against if he admitted the truth. He probably would like to see the US industry nationalized and run by the government. This would be an exercise in futility as such a large percentage of the oil comes from overseas that the only effect would be a higher price at the pump as government inefficiency further runs up the cost of distribution.

Well, that would not be the only effect as a very large number of employees of private companies would suddenly be without work as the major distributors like Exxon relocate their business entities to freer countries.

I dont have any agenda. I'll agree with you that the price is set by monopoly of national oil companies...
I agree.
and exxon just benefits