America's finest... Cadillac!

[CallMeMud]

Interesting.


I saw the JD Power survey and it reads a little different than that article.


On another note you don't see Friend and Family pricing, special sales or low interest loans on the imports. Wonder why?

[forzfed]

Originally Posted by CallMeMud

Interesting.


I saw the JD Power survey and it reads a little different than that article.


On another note you don't see Friend and Family pricing, special sales or low interest loans on the imports. Wonder why?

That is true but GM makes a hell of a lot more cars and trucks than the import companys. A tech gets $10/hr more here than at a Honda dealership. The Big Three have given way more to our economy! Yes they may have turned out some bad vehicles along the way but they made so many more then the Import did. Toyota just had a huge recall on ball joints. As their production numbers increase so has some of their reliability.

Growing up in a small town we always took care of our own. That meant paying higher prices at some mom and pa store that knows you and takes good care of you. They may not always have the best product or cheapest price but they took care of you in ways that others won't. It will be interesting to see in the years to come how this works out.

[BLACK6PACK]

Originally Posted by CallMeMud

Interesting.


I saw the JD Power survey and it reads a little different than that article.


On another note you don't see Friend and Family pricing, special sales or low interest loans on the imports. Wonder why?

Because people continue to spout off, with no real proof, that jap cars are better, more fuel efficient, and last longer. My brother in-law is one of them. No matter how much I show him studies, and actual numbers, he will never believe an american car can be better than a jap car. Why, cuz of resale value and by listing to other people that have jap cars say how good they are. If he hears someone talking about an american car lasting a long time "they were lucky". Jap dealers don't have to go through all the hoops to sell cars, cuz they've brainwashed the general population. Although buicks are the most popular cars in the far east.

I live in the land of the biggest car dealerships in the country, and believe me, all brands do the big time sell. The biggest honda dealership in the world is down here and they give a 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warrenty. That sells a lot of cars.

[firebird_1252]

Originally Posted by CallMeMud

Here is a 2005 Cobalt LS with 30k according to KBB:

Condition Value
Excellent
$12,655
Good
$11,825
Fair
$10,740

Original price was $14,885 so 7.5% loss per year so far.


Just wanted to compare it to my 6 year old 2001 Civic with the same equipment and 2.5X the miles:


Original price was $14,835 so 5.7% loss per year so far.



Condition Value
Excellent
$9,805
Good
$9,140
Fair
$8,245


We can look back at this in 4 more years and see how the Cobalt compares then.

i dont have time to read everything but... the cobalt is fairly new. i'd take a cobalt over a honda any day comfert and what not is there. the only problem is see with gm is that they have to get some pricing down and give more veriety. quality, power, warrantee is there but they gotta drop the price on somethings! mainly the tahoe, suburban and silvarado. the trailblazer i think is right in the ball park with everything else. i'm looking at one now thats nicely loaded with the v8 (non ext) for about $33k. not too bad if you ask me.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by BLACK6PACK

I live in the land of the biggest car dealerships in the country, and believe me, all brands do the big time sell. The biggest honda dealership in the world is down here and they give a 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warrenty. That sells a lot of cars.

YES YOU DO !!!!! how do all those dealerships survive personal opinion here .."all cars are shitboxes" why do ya think they all have warranty's

[turbofish38]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

YES YOU DO !!!!! how do all those dealerships survive personal opinion here .."all cars are shitboxes" why do ya think they all have warranty's

And I happen to work at one of them! There's money to be made in volumn. BTW I work for the worlds largest Chevrolet retailer. I think I figured it out that we as a group sell 5% of all Chevys sold in this country. We are like WalMart. Its to the point that if you have an old mom and pop store we will most likely bury you in the next couple of years. If not us than the manufacturers will including Toyota and the other imports.

In case you guys couldn't figure it out Jesse believes in CR,Edmunds the New York Times and what ever a$$clown that post on the internet....along with Santa Claus,The Easter Rabbit and free checking.

I agree with Grumpy and I've said many times before too. All cars are chitboxes! If they weren't than you wouldn't need a service dept and certainly not all of those people that screw the damn things together in the first place. Riddle me this Mud in my Pampers! Hows come I can do a search for just about any make on the face of the planet and find one or more forums about the the pisspoor quality and engineering not to mention sales experience? If your beloved Honda is so great than why does the Honda and Acura dealers across the road always have a line of traffic backed up out into the street in the morning when I drive by? Surely you cant tell me those are all oil and filter changes. Same goes for the Toyota dealer. We do the extended warranties for all of our used cars. The imports are by far the worst ones. They may be good when you buy them new but they are money pits if you are a second or third owner.Parts availability and service surely are not thier forte! And I can say that having sold parts for domesticated Toyotas,Isuzus and Suzukis over the years. I'll never figure why you clowns say the imports have better interiors. Show me somebody that actually knows what the vacuums down at the car wash are for and I might beleive that. Sheeple are pigs! F'n pigs! I cant think of how many times I went for a test drive and a burger wrapper or some other trash was hiding up under the seats. We are a AAA dealer and when the tow truck guys stop in to BS the one thing they always comment on are how they tow in more imports than anything. If your equating more cars to repair because they sell more than that aint a very good arguement that imports are built better. You sheeple are just plain snobs and not very well educated in the ways of the world. I've never seen a group of people more into denial than you clowns. And yes I have owned imports and have family and friends who have owned imports. With my above statement if I was a dumbchit I would pick the car or truck that was the cheapest to own. That my boy would be a domestic brand. BTW! If your import is so great why are you so concerned with the resale value? Planning on trading it in when the emissions warranty is up? See thats why you really shouldn't be argueing about this issue on a board like this. We die hard Americans could care less. We go to the grave with our cars. Not bail the first time we cant fix it.

[Tur6oGN]

Dont know if you all care, but that list....didnt say anything about the CTS or CTS-V....for one of the unreliable cars it had the STS....completely different car.

[CallMeMud]

As a matter of fact yes most of those cars are in there for routine maintenance. I know that for a fact!


Where do you get the opinion I believe everything in print? I don't! Like I said some are good and some are bad on both sides I just happen to be of the OPINION more on the import side are better when it comes to cars.

It doesn't matter whether it is good ole USA or not on the car type. You get what you want and feel like paying for. For my everyday car I prefer something I just do the routine stuff, add gas and oil and go. Every 100k do a timing belt, oil pump and tensioner at 100,000 and go another 100k. And what kind of idiot wouldn't be concerned with resale? That just makes no sense! .... at all!! What happens if I am banging Mary rotten crotch and knock her up where I need a mini-van now? Maybe I get into a pre-made family situation. When I need to move what I am in I need and want top dollar. Not something that is hard to move or isn't worth a crap!

I'm not bailing on my car. I plan on running it until 300,000 miles or so before unloading it.


You are a parts guy right? My parts Lady at the Chevy dealer who works for every penny she can make and save bought a C-6 Vette last year. If you PM me I will give you her info so she can tell you the story of how it went. Can you say leaking body seams on the first outing in the rain? It sat in their body shop until GM could iron out something she could live with. She lost her ass on the car and last I talked to her GM wasn't doing much to make it right.

[J Banning]

Originally Posted by Nasty Wendy

Give it up Jesse.

Yeah, seriously.

Find something better to do than digging up crap like this.

[firebird_1252]

Originally Posted by CallMeMud

It doesn't matter whether it is good ole USA or not on the car type. You get what you want and feel like paying for. For my everyday car I prefer something I just do the routine stuff, add gas and oil and go. Every 100k do a timing belt, oil pump and tensioner at 100,000 and go another 100k. And what kind of idiot wouldn't be concerned with resale? That just makes no sense! .... at all!! What happens if I am banging Mary rotten crotch and knock her up where I need a mini-van now? Maybe I get into a pre-made family situation. When I need to move what I am in I need and want top dollar. Not something that is hard to move or isn't worth a crap!

dude look at what your saying. so your saying do a oil pump, timing belt and a tensioner? i rather go the easy route.. gas, oil and drive it. maybe change the coolent. to me its a no brainer. domesitc all the way.

as far as the resale value whats the big deal if you like it? i dont know about you when i'm tired of a car i turn around and sell it... if i take a beating on it i take a beating nothing i can do about it.

[87bigcut]

I put just about as much faith in those car and driver, jdpower, con-sumer reports as I do movie reviews

Joe

[CallMeMud]

I didn't really dig it up. Someone posted a link to Streetfire and that one was right there as a preview so I clicked on it. We had a discussion a little while back on this and so that one kind of hit home on some of the points. It must interest a couple since it is at least a couple of peoples second visit (B). Just skip it over man. No Police needed here. I am sure if you had those kind of problems with a mega-buck car with low mileage you would be pissed too.


Firebird,

Do you know ANYTHING about what you speak? On a timing belt car it is common practice to just do those three at the belt interval so you don't have to do it later if it should fail. The oil pump will go 200k and the belt is spec'd for 105k but do it a little early. You are talking less than $150 in parts to do all of it.


Guess I will check out and go smoke some Ricers with my big diesel

[firebird_1252]

Originally Posted by CallMeMud

Firebird,

Do you know ANYTHING about what you speak? On a timing belt car it is common practice to just do those three at the belt interval so you don't have to do it later if it should fail. The oil pump will go 200k and the belt is spec'd for 105k but do it a little early. You are talking less than $150 in parts to do all of it.


Guess I will check out and go smoke some Ricers with my big diesel

yeah i know enough to get me by. i'll agree that a timing belt is common practice. i dont know about anyone here but a chain is alot easyer to keep up with. my brother is huge in to the vw's as i've stated many times. he just had a new head, valves and pistons along with cams go down the drain due to a tensioner! a falty $40 tensioner. nah call me old school or whatever i'm sticking to my "unreliable" domestic cars.


have fun... RICERS hate getting smoked by a dulley... oh i mean smoke and loosing the race!!

oh and if honda's so great i want to see them light a match to vw with the MPG wars. thats something i'll give you there gm dont have a car that does better then 35mpg...

[Ttype83]

mud=jsa

[RobsIron]

Mud...300,000 miles and you're worried about resale?


Get a Better Job and BUY AMERICAN!