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| I got it figured out Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: At The WAWA
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| The gsca nats administration aka ron explains the Nick situation They have been so trustworthy before, no reason to doubt this too Judge for yourself2005 GS Nats. administration statement -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject - Race rules enforcement Problems began to arise within our turbo heads-up race classes during our 2003 GS Nats. These problems were in the race rule and enforcement areas. Nick’s responsibilities were never to concern himself with the race rules. However, during the 2003, 2004, and 2005 events, this procedure was not adhered to or followed by Nick. A full recap of the incidents for those three years will follow as noted below. During the last three years, Nick kept ignoring the established rules and allowed illegal cars to run enabling a RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG policy. He wanted to write the rules, enforce the rules, and decide who was and wasn’t going to race. In other words, he decided to be JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER when it came to the rules. Already in effect was a successful approved rules and enforcement policy and procedure in place. Nick completely ignored and overran this racer oriented system without any authority to do so. Please note that Nick had been doing a superb job of running the race program in the areas within his jurisdiction and authority. But he chose to exceed his authority in other Nats. areas. During our 2003, 2004, and 2005 Nats., a turbo car was found to be clearly illegal through peer teching, yet was allowed to race by Nick. He disregarded the class racers with his decisions. Detailed explanations, each supported by those directly involved, follow below: In 2003, a TSE car from FL, during tech, was clearly determined to be illegal in two areas. This determination was made and confirmed by our then very highly qualified race rules coordinator (RRC) James West. James had the "assigned full and sole authority" to declare a car legal or illegal to race. When this situation would arise, James would grant the car's owner a reasonable amount time to make the required corrections and adjustments and return to be re-teched. However, right after this car was clearly determined to be illegal, Nick, overran his authority, stepped in, overruled James, and allowed the car to race. Furthermore, that particular car, won the class. In 2004, a TSM car from FL, was clearly found to have an illegal turbo as had been attested to by Scott Simpson and James West. Once again, Nick, still without the authority to do so, overruled James and Scott and allowed that car to race. After this second instance of being overruled by Nick, , James, who was very competent and highly regarded and respected by the racers, understandably resigned. Again, in 2005, a TSO car from MD was found to be clearly illegal in several areas. It’s illegality was confirmed by Cal Hartline and agreed to be illegal by every racer he spoke to in that class. And again, Nick overruled it's illegality and allowed the car to race. This was the proverbial “last straw”! So, we ask you, what message was being sent to the other racers who bring their car to the Nats. in approved legal trim? That we have established and approved rules in place that will be adhered to and enforced? Or, as it has been the last three events, YOU CAN JUST RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG ! Obviously, in all fairness, things needed to corrected and fixed. So what was done by Richard Lasseter, was to extend and expand what already was being done, i.e., a successful and fair system of rules control, implementation and enforcement, similar to what was already in effect by the BB / V8 and TSM guys. It’s a simple “racers of the class” make the final decision policy. Incidentally, Nick twice approached one of the V8 / BB rules guys in attempt to influence what they were doing regarding rules and etc. After Nick’s second approach, he was told to stay out of it. Note that there has been no dialog whatsoever appearing anywhere regarding changing anything within the current existing rules enforcement system in the BB / V8 area. So, it must be working. That’s how it should be. Allowing the racers who actually race the class to make up their own rules was designed to be a policy in TSO, TSE, TSM, and TSS classes. The overall goal was to completely eliminate the image of the rules being by the GSCA or any special interests. We placed the rules making policy into the hands of those who run the class. What could be simpler and more fair ? We understand that there is group of turbo guys who are working on creating an additional H/U class for next year. To quote one of those involved who posted on another BB, “this will be a racers class, with rules by the racers”. Sound familiar ? This is how all of our heads-up race classes are designed to be. It’s been reported that Nick was also told to stay out of this potential classes formation process. What has been done and approved is already posted in our Nats. Race Forum. If anyone has a better way to do this, feel free to post here with your suggestions and proposals. Unfortunately, Nick would not agree and cooperate with this very fair and just system updating. This updating by Richard Lasseter was verbally agreed upon to him by John Chamberlain as being a good idea. When Nick realized that our better and fairer system was to be implemented, he quit. He was not fired or asked to leave the position. It appeared that Nick wanted to write all the rules, run everything, and not have to answer to anyone. No-one but Nick thought he should have this total authority. Because of the above situation, James West, with more than 10 years of Nats. rules background and experience, is returning to our administration in a capacity yet to be determined. Also, there are four individuals already under consideration to be installed as our new Race Director. Nick subsequently went onto the internet in an attempt to place the blame elsewhere when the real problem should be attributed to his demanding of total authority. He spewed half truths laced with unwarranted malicious verbal attacks and accusations against Richard Lasseter, the Nats., it’s administration members, and long time Nats. racers and loyal supporters. Numerous times, Nick was told that his duties were to run the race program and leave the established method of race rules and enforcement alone. He simply would not do this. Regardless of the above, we wish Nick good luck. GS Nats. Administration
__________________ Rich from Rich's Custom Auto in New Jersey. We don't know what we are doing, but we do know what we are charging!!! Piece of $hit in the middle of the road Home of the Jack,GPB,MPWB & MILFS Home of the 9 second Street cars 9.02@153.60, 1.33 60' in Newman "SLVRSTG" thru the Exhaust Buicksx2@AOL.com JCC Racing Team President Been banned 4 times in my life from the GSCA BB.....now who else can say that!!! Comedian |
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| aka: mOtOrHeAd MiKe Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orangeville, Ontario Canada
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| Stories involving Nick are going to make me fat. ![]()
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| Boorn Looser Join Date: May 2001
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| Hard to take sides (Nick, GSCA) when you really don't like either of them further than you can throw them. I imagine it would be hard to get a tan with all of them around, because it's so shady.
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| I got it figured out Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: At The WAWA
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| I wondered who overlooked rons: 1. Bolt in rollbar 2. Non use of 5 point harness 3. Non use of fire jacket 4. Use of Factory supplied GM seat belt 5. Driving past everyone already waiting in the staging lanes to take a pass because red burnt him a new chip
__________________ Rich from Rich's Custom Auto in New Jersey. We don't know what we are doing, but we do know what we are charging!!! Piece of $hit in the middle of the road Home of the Jack,GPB,MPWB & MILFS Home of the 9 second Street cars 9.02@153.60, 1.33 60' in Newman "SLVRSTG" thru the Exhaust Buicksx2@AOL.com JCC Racing Team President Been banned 4 times in my life from the GSCA BB.....now who else can say that!!! Comedian |
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| Fuhgeddaboudit Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Don't forget changing the rules to allow Reds stage 1 block to run in a TSS stock class. Ron and Red are pissed because Nick and John Chamberlain told them they had to meet safety rules and Red can't run a stock class anymore. This is the only issue at hand. Ron fixes Lassester's car for free ( his motor blew too, Ron built) so I guess Lasseter can get more out of Ron and Red then Nick and John.
__________________ ED BAKER 87-T, Maplight equipped rear view mirror.. 93 PARK AVE"SUPERCHARGED" BPG#1458 My Photo Page ![]() ![]() buickperformancegroup.com "As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."---H.L. Mencken 1927 |
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| Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East of the Sun & West of the Moon
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| That's the Same ol' TB.com desert TURBOSHIEK Quote:
Yup, that sounds like the same ol' "SAINT NICK". | |
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| Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Downtown Stevensville
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| Who is the A$$HOLE from MD that screwed everything up?
__________________ Bill Anderson www.anderson-performance.com 410-282-9335 The river of deceit pulls down.... |
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| I got it figured out Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: At The WAWA
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__________________ Rich from Rich's Custom Auto in New Jersey. We don't know what we are doing, but we do know what we are charging!!! Piece of $hit in the middle of the road Home of the Jack,GPB,MPWB & MILFS Home of the 9 second Street cars 9.02@153.60, 1.33 60' in Newman "SLVRSTG" thru the Exhaust Buicksx2@AOL.com JCC Racing Team President Been banned 4 times in my life from the GSCA BB.....now who else can say that!!! Comedian | |
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| That statement from Ron in regards to us is not true. Dave Fiscus, Jack Cotton,Tony Gomes,and Pete Barton (Tony O's builder) said OK. They should surely be considered racers in the class. Cal AGREED the rules were not clearly defined and the only clear cut infraction we had was the exhaust being about 6" short. He asked us if we would change it to meet the rules as written, we said yes, Nick stepped in and said it wouldnt be necessary since it would not provide a performance advantage either way. We had it turned out toward the outside in front of the tire instead of going to the axle tube and turning down.
__________________ Bill Anderson www.anderson-performance.com 410-282-9335 The river of deceit pulls down.... Last edited by EightSecV6 : 08-16-2005 at 02:09 AM. |
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| While that may be one instance there are a couple of others that were allot more clear. Among them are letting someone run a Pheonix slick when the rules clearly stated they were illegal for that class. That kinda stuff doesn't sit well with others when they are having to play by the rules; no? Jim C.
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I dont know what happened in the other classes, my post was directed to the statement about the car from MD being illegal in SEVERAL areas and ALL the other racers in the class saying it was illegal and still being allowed to race by Nick Micale.I agree however, rules are rules BUT if they are not directly spelled out, they are subject to interpretation of the builders.
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| Fuhgeddaboudit Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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__________________ ED BAKER 87-T, Maplight equipped rear view mirror.. 93 PARK AVE"SUPERCHARGED" BPG#1458 My Photo Page ![]() ![]() buickperformancegroup.com "As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."---H.L. Mencken 1927 | |
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