Am I out of line here?

CallMeMud · 10-22-2003, 10:46 PM

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...hreadid=102591

It sure seems like it. I know it is a conflict of interest since the owner of that board is a trans/converter guy. This is also the reason Pat's didn't want to advertise their also. I know it is unbiased here so if I am out of line I will stop with the heads up over there.

TurboPete · 10-22-2003, 11:13 PM

I say stick to your guns. You recommended someone you like.

Obviously they want to control how their 189 members members think.

rastaz · 10-22-2003, 11:42 PM

Why do you even bother posting over there??? I've pretty much given up. There is too much deleting and censoring by the moderators over there for my liking. I don't think you've gone too far but it's their board and you have to play by their rules.

At least here no one is incessantly controlling what you post or read. I personally like hearing about bad vendors so I know where not to spend my money.

I think this post is heading to the Waiting Room

CallMeMud · 10-22-2003, 11:58 PM

I guess it is just habbit and I know a lot of people over there. It seems my for sale ads do better over there so maybe they have the volume. You are right though, it is ran more like a total business than anything else. Since Mike is removed here it makes it better for censorship. I know Pat's was helping the Canada people out with shipping is the only reason I replied. The poster is from Toronto or I would have just held my tongue.

The Radius Kid · 10-23-2003, 02:07 AM

Quote:

CallMeMud:
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...hreadid=102591

It sure seems like it. I know it is a conflict of interest since the owner of that board is a trans/converter guy. This is also the reason Pat's didn't want to advertise their also. I know it is unbiased here so if I am out of line I will stop with the heads up over there.

I don't think you were out of line,just maybe somewhat repetitive.
As Bruce himself has stated,products should sell on their own merit and vendors should live or die by their products and service.
That tends to be a hard thing to have hold true in a "captive market".
As you stated on the other board,you use some of his parts as well as Chris' parts and like them a lot.
They've stood the test of your scrutiny,so it's not like you slammed his products,you just suggested what you felt was a reasonable,viable alternative.
No harm,no foul IMO.

Gothmog · 10-23-2003, 06:22 AM

That IS preety bad.

Orlando_87GN · 10-23-2003, 11:33 AM

Quote from Nick Micale

Quote:

Jesse, in case you did not know, the owner of this board owns a trans shop and has an excellent converter that he also supplies.

If there is not a paying board vendor that can be reffered to by members, then an outside vendor could be mentioned. This has been happening in other threads, and posts like this are not welcome.

Suggest you contact Bruce direct to determine if you would like to delete your post or...............?

I knew things like this were happening over there, but I wasn't aware they were into admitting it... Seems you can only talk about certain vendors products IF they have paid for advertising. Then you will need to follow the proper chain of command incase you are talking about transmission related parts, you will need to recommend PTS stuff first.... Pardon me while I wipe the barf off my monitor....

Read up while you can because I can guarantee that thread will get vaporized soon. This is just another classic example of a major conflict of interests with a business owning a 'free thinking' message board. No matter how hard you try things like this will come up because your motivations are pulled in two different directions.

Jesse, your parts for sale ads might have a better response over there b/c the traffic levels are currently higher than ours. We are steadily climbing that ladder and one day will surely pass the other site. I foresee that site turning into 'turbobuick shooting fish in a barrel, hey don't forget to buy your PTS parts.com'. Not to worry though as our unbiased and unaltered content will be right here as usual. We have added new sections and features like gasket, turbo, cam databases, free downloads of torque cards, ecm error cards, vendors index and we are also getting this newsletter fired up. Point is TurboBuicks.com will not be a stagnant message only board lining a select few pockets of those in charge. We are an online community (see website logo at top of page) that involves and includes every one of us. The message board will be a large part of this website, but our resources and unbiased content has already made us apples to oranges compared to the other site.

In terms of growth TurboBuicks.com has gone from 2 million hits per month to 5 million hits per month. 1500 users per day to 3500 users per day! This is only in a few months time and ironically it coincides with the heavy hand change of the other board. Plenty of people understand what is happening over there and when folks decide to stop watching the train wreck your parts for sale ads should do just fine over here

powersix

<small>[ October 23, 2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Orlando_87GN ]</small>

Supersix · 10-23-2003, 11:35 AM

Don't back down - just another casualty of a vendor-owned/operated board..

What a load of shiet... rant

quick231 · 10-23-2003, 12:13 PM

And according to nick I am a troublemaker for just questioning it??? I guess the TB.com black helicopters will be circling my garage today! uzi uzi uzi uzi uzi moon

<small>[ October 23, 2003, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: quick231 ]</small>

The Radius Kid · 10-23-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

quick231:
And according to nick I am a troublemaker for just questioning it??? I guess the TB.com black helicopters will be circling my garage today! uzi uzi uzi moon

I hear it's "skydemon" hunting season.
I'll talk to Fubar for you and see if he can bring over Cleo to keep out an eye for you. headbang uzi uzi uzi

CallMeMud · 10-23-2003, 01:28 PM

The reason Pat's chose here (as you can see they did ask over there) to advertise here was because of the ownership and not wanting to clash at any point. The "only" reason I responded was because I saw he was from up North. It means a decent deal to the guys up there if the shipping burden is lessened which they have been doing at Pat's. I thought it was pretty harmless but what do I know.

Just a Six?? · 10-23-2003, 03:00 PM

It was me who got this started, & I have already (before the post) decided to go with Pats because they are trying to help us! I didn't use Pat's name because of PTS but I had no idea (being new to the boards) that they are so heavy handed & only want their group mentioned! Still dont understand why their unit is $200 ++ more? I emailed them and got a sales pitch without any real hardcore evidence of their superior product! Maybe theirs is better in certain situations but I'm sure not in all. Since my livelihood is word of mouth business & not advertising, I value when someone tells me that here is a good product with a fair price, that suits my needs! Anyways, I dont think your out of line but I guess they do!!
cheers

Orlando_87GN · 10-23-2003, 04:09 PM

And I wish the powers that be would quit insulting the TurboBuick community by claiming an even playing field between all transmission vendors... sure, they all get along and bruce is happy to have them on board....... because MOST OF THEM ARE DISTRIBUTORS OF PTS PARTS!!!!

where is that sheep icon when I need it???

TTA89 · 10-23-2003, 04:21 PM

Sheep Icon would be cool yup yup yup

salvageV6 · 10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

Dood you're not out of line HERE, you're out of line THERE. wink

10-22-2003, 10:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
CallMeMud Someone Crown My Ass! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East, MD USA Posts: 7,034	Am I out of line here? http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...hreadid=102591 It sure seems like it. I know it is a conflict of interest since the owner of that board is a trans/converter guy. This is also the reason Pat's didn't want to advertise their also. I know it is unbiased here so if I am out of line I will stop with the heads up over there. __________________ 2002 WS-6 Trans Am A4 Bolt-ons 13.0@111 MPH 353 RWHP/359 RWTQ Mustang Dyno http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MVI_0165.flv

10-22-2003, 11:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
TurboPete  Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 832	I say stick to your guns. You recommended someone you like. Obviously they want to control how their 189 members members think. __________________

10-22-2003, 11:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
rastaz Unnaturally Aspirated Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,319	Why do you even bother posting over there??? I've pretty much given up. There is too much deleting and censoring by the moderators over there for my liking. I don't think you've gone too far but it's their board and you have to play by their rules. At least here no one is incessantly controlling what you post or read. I personally like hearing about bad vendors so I know where not to spend my money. I think this post is heading to the Waiting Room __________________ Rob 89 TTA: 11.54 @120, 1.60 60ft. 87 GN: 11.20 @119, 1.54 60ft. 86 WH1: Project car http://www.nos4gn.com

10-22-2003, 11:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
CallMeMud Someone Crown My Ass! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East, MD USA Posts: 7,034	I guess it is just habbit and I know a lot of people over there. It seems my for sale ads do better over there so maybe they have the volume. You are right though, it is ran more like a total business than anything else. Since Mike is removed here it makes it better for censorship. I know Pat's was helping the Canada people out with shipping is the only reason I replied. The poster is from Toronto or I would have just held my tongue. __________________ 2002 WS-6 Trans Am A4 Bolt-ons 13.0@111 MPH 353 RWHP/359 RWTQ Mustang Dyno http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MVI_0165.flv

10-23-2003, 06:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
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10-23-2003, 11:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
Supersix IHADAV8 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa FL USA Posts: 1,035	Don't back down - just another casualty of a vendor-owned/operated board.. What a load of shiet... rant __________________ The Bastard Child Buick Message Board '87 T, T-tops, Blues, JT Chip, 307FP, Cold Air Kit, 3.5" MAF/Trans+, 130k '92 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe - 75k, sweet!

10-23-2003, 12:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
quick231 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: York, PA. Posts: 267	And according to nick I am a troublemaker for just questioning it??? I guess the TB.com black helicopters will be circling my garage today! uzi uzi uzi uzi uzi moon <small>[ October 23, 2003, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: quick231 ]</small> __________________ I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than be riding in a car with teddy kennedy

10-23-2003, 01:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
CallMeMud Someone Crown My Ass! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East, MD USA Posts: 7,034	The reason Pat's chose here (as you can see they did ask over there) to advertise here was because of the ownership and not wanting to clash at any point. The "only" reason I responded was because I saw he was from up North. It means a decent deal to the guys up there if the shipping burden is lessened which they have been doing at Pat's. I thought it was pretty harmless but what do I know. __________________ 2002 WS-6 Trans Am A4 Bolt-ons 13.0@111 MPH 353 RWHP/359 RWTQ Mustang Dyno http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MVI_0165.flv

10-23-2003, 03:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Just a Six?? I Buried Beachbum Here! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,615	It was me who got this started, & I have already (before the post) decided to go with Pats because they are trying to help us! I didn't use Pat's name because of PTS but I had no idea (being new to the boards) that they are so heavy handed & only want their group mentioned! Still dont understand why their unit is $200 ++ more? I emailed them and got a sales pitch without any real hardcore evidence of their superior product! Maybe theirs is better in certain situations but I'm sure not in all. Since my livelihood is word of mouth business & not advertising, I value when someone tells me that here is a good product with a fair price, that suits my needs! Anyways, I dont think your out of line but I guess they do!! cheers __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Not another like it! Lots of Go Fast goodies! 11.5 is as Fast as I go! Thats what the track told me! It's a Small World, but I wouldn't want to Paint It!! PS: My name is David & I have One screen name everywhere!

10-23-2003, 04:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Orlando_87GN Resident Idiot Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 10,368	And I wish the powers that be would quit insulting the TurboBuick community by claiming an even playing field between all transmission vendors... sure, they all get along and bruce is happy to have them on board....... because MOST OF THEM ARE DISTRIBUTORS OF PTS PARTS!!!! where is that sheep icon when I need it??? __________________ Check Out MikesStuff4Sale.com to view my used parts! ------------------------------------------------ 1987 Buick Grand National Budget 4.1, 204/214 cam, TA-49 Turbo, Stockish Heads, V4, MSD50's, TH DP, JayJackson 62mm TB, Translator plus Extender powered. 3680# with pilot ------------------------------------------------ 1993 Mazda RX-7 4.1 Buick Powered 11.20 @ 128mph (2.4 60')!

10-23-2003, 04:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
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10-23-2003, 06:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
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