Engine assembly...

racemybuick · 09-14-2009, 09:45 PM

i did this once or twice a long time ago... i need some brushing up on the how-to's!

Im putting the hot air all back together... im pretty sure i got it all! I need to figure out a few things...

Torque specs on intake? so you use hi-tac or any adhesive on the intake pan gasket before installing the intake?

Exhaust header bolt tq? I have postons headers, i figure the tq on those with steel gaskets should be important...

crank balancer tq? How do i snug this thing on? impact? I dont want to hurt anything!!!

Cam sensor alignment... how does this get done? i am re-using the front cover that came with the motor, but was not installed... cover is on, never taken apart, so i never packed the pump...should I? then what do i do with the cam sensor... it is on the cover installed, but how do i know it is in the right position?

ugh... im too excited about getting this together, that i finally got the whole model together! I just want to make sure im doing this right... it has been too long since the last time i did this... Im brain farting all over!!!

John

pacecarta · 09-14-2009, 10:16 PM

you ask a lot of questions , if you spent half as much time searching as you did typing you'd know all the answers by now and with all the time you've spent on the boards im shocked that you dont know where to find the info
heres a site www.votexbuicks-etc.com has almost all the info you asked about but here goes ........

Quote:

Originally Posted by racemybuick

i did this once or twice a long time ago... i need some brushing up on the how-to's!

Im putting the hot air all back together... im pretty sure i got it all! I need to figure out a few things...

Torque specs on intake? 35 ft lbs following torque sequence so you use hi-tac or any adhesive on the intake pan gasket before installing the intake? yes hi tac , indian head gasket cinch or permatex #2 non hardening ..better ditch the steel pan and get a felpro ms96033 blue gasket and it can be installed dry but i like to install with just a smear of rtv on water ports

Exhaust header bolt tq? 35ftlbs I have postons headers, i figure the tq on those with steel gaskets should be important...

crank balancer tq? How do i snug this thing on? impact? no!! I dont want to hurt anything!!!i do with pan off put a 1/2 extension bar into the rear bob weight hole and allow it to brace against block pan rail , muscle up and get a good torque wrench .because you need minimum of 219 ftlbs little loctite wouldnt hurt ....or another way to hold crank is with flywheel on take a long bar shoved through flywheel hole... or ive heard large vise grips on flywheel with starter off , i like do them once engine is back in car with bar through flywheel because on the engine stand it takes a helper to hold the motor

Cam sensor alignment... how does this get done? vortexbuicks-etc.com i am re-using the front cover that came with the motor, but was not installed... cover is on, never taken apart, so i never packed the pump...should I?fill oil filter screw on , with cam sensor out pour rest of the 5qts into the cam hole and prime using a priming tool and a drill then what do i do with the cam sensor... it is on the cover installed, but how do i know it is in the right position?take the sensor off and follow directs on vortexbuicks-etc.com

ugh... im too excited about getting this together, that i finally got the whole model together! I just want to make sure im doing this right... it has been too long since the last time i did this... Im brain farting all over!!!

John

racemybuick · 09-14-2009, 10:23 PM

i type 90+ words per min...didnt take long...lol.. as far as searching, I never heard of vortexbuicks.etc... when was this made??? i havent been on tbs.com since i sold the regal to murph... so it's been too long! thanks for the patience paul... did you ever get my pm? I appreciate the help, I really do... sorry i dont search first... just figured i could get the pro's advice here first before i go searching... wont do it again

john

pacecarta · 09-14-2009, 10:27 PM

took me about half an hour to type

vortex buicks has been up for years ,,its steve woods site

pacecarta · 09-14-2009, 10:30 PM

oh and gnttype.org has the info but thats been up since dinosours roamed the earth but whats posted is dated old school how tos and hard to follow since its usually just a text step by step written by a novice who liked to type

racemybuick · 09-14-2009, 10:31 PM

ok....so i have heard his name a million times!!! who is steve wood???? he is talked about over and over and over again, but I have NO clue who he is!!!!

Paulie, what you do on the comp may be slow, but you make up for it in knowledge and 1/4 mile slips!!!! (a$$ kissing as a thanks for the help!!!)

John

racemybuick · 09-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacecarta

oh and gnttype.org has the info but thats been up since dinosours roamed the earth but whats posted is dated old school how tos and hard to follow since its usually just a text step by step written by a novice who liked to type

i was combing through the gnttype files and you are totally right... i remember those when i got my first buick in 1999... I got car of the month in 2001!!! hahahaha

Anyway...im trying to find this vortex site... still trying.... still trying....

GOT IT!!!! Vortex Turbo Buick Performance

john

pacecarta · 09-14-2009, 10:38 PM

getr done

i got your pm but hotairs arent my cup o tea , everytime i look at one i cant help but think ford had a hand at the design . as its nearly impossible to work on the engine , just changing injectors or plugs is a nightmare , i/c injectors and sparkplugs can be changed faster than it took you to type the opening post

racemybuick · 09-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacecarta

getr done

i/c injectors and sparkplugs can be changed faster than it took you to type the opening post

hahahahahahahaha

one day, i will save up again and get another ic car... or at least an IC swap!!!!!

one day!!!

John

pacecarta · 09-15-2009, 05:10 PM

well ....
you found the site and there is lot to read there ...
much better than gnttype even if it isnt a hotair resource site

so ..

did ya getr done yet???

gbsean · 09-15-2009, 09:56 PM

STEVE WOOD IS GOD TO BUICKS

racemybuick · 09-15-2009, 10:54 PM

i heard about that god status stuff...just never knew who or how! seems real cool tho!

didnt get-r done yet...intake is being shipped out tomorrow hopefully...gettin powder coated and polished up... once that comes in, the bolting up starts... intake, gotta buy caspers cam tool, need the primer tool (can I just cut and old screwdriver and put it in a drill???), and a few other odds and ends to get buttoned up... waitin on a paycheck actually so I can get that nice T33c turbo...that would be nice... and need to hit the lotto so I can afford a DP and catback system... gbody gets 600 for a dp!!! PLUS SHIPPING!!!!

that's what happens when you want real performance!!! lol... other than that, got an 87 comp, mat sensor, 87 coil, new injector harness, everything else is coming together!!!

anyone got a spare MAF and translator? lol!!! its just $$$ right???? lol

john

pacecarta · 09-15-2009, 11:03 PM

im going to qoute because you know i cant type

Quote:

Originally Posted by racemybuick

i heard about that god status stuff...just never knew who or how! seems real cool tho!

didnt get-r done yet...intake is being shipped out tomorrow hopefully...gettin powder coated and polished up... once that comes in, the bolting up starts... intake, gotta buy caspers cam tool,(no need ..call me ) need the primer tool (can I just cut and old screwdriver and put it in a drill???) no use a chevy prime tool..harbor freight , and a few other odds and ends to get buttoned up... waitin on a paycheck actually so I can get that nice T33c turbo...that would be nice... and need to hit the lotto so I can afford a DP and catback system... gbody gets 600 for a dp!!! PLUS SHIPPING!!!!

that's what happens when you want real performance!!! lol... other than that, got an 87 comp, mat sensor, 87 coil, new injector harness, everything else is coming together!!!

anyone got a spare MAF and translator? lol!!! maybe call hoops i have lt1 mafs its just $$$ right???? lol

john

racemybuick · 09-15-2009, 11:17 PM

awesome!!! this is sooo great!!! just one paycheck (as long as it is a nice one!!), and this car will be running in a few days!!! I finished writing my curriculum...completely re-writing it!!! So, I get 2K for that, plus the new year just started, so I get my first check with a raise!!! this will nice!!!

I get paid the 30th... I'll call hoobs tomorrow... I saw translators on ebay for 250+ ship...any cheaper anywhere? Im goin gto have my electric guru give me hand with the comp swap (jim testa)... I also need to get a new fuel pump... just found out my bro bought the wrong one (not a walbro)...

Thanks so much Paul!!! As soon as I get to settign the timing, your phone will be ringing... Major goal is to have the car driving safely and consistently for NOV 8!!! That is my B-day, and Buicks at atco!!! How cool of a B-Day is that????

Thanks again and again!!!

john

pacecarta · 09-15-2009, 11:29 PM

the ecm is practically a plug in just need to add a inlet air temp sensor ( called MAT by some ) and run a wire from it to c11 (signal from MAT )at ecm and splice the ground for the IAT to D12, for what it matters you could put the iat sensor inside the car by the ecm or just have the iat ses flag for code 24 turned off in the chip,

the ign module needs just a couple of wires swapped , unless you want to spend on the adapter from caspers
maf/translator is plug and play and if you want new i can hook you up with new version 6.25 under 200

09-14-2009, 09:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
racemybuick Which Mackey is that? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 1,436	Engine assembly... i did this once or twice a long time ago... i need some brushing up on the how-to's! Im putting the hot air all back together... im pretty sure i got it all! I need to figure out a few things... Torque specs on intake? so you use hi-tac or any adhesive on the intake pan gasket before installing the intake? Exhaust header bolt tq? I have postons headers, i figure the tq on those with steel gaskets should be important... crank balancer tq? How do i snug this thing on? impact? I dont want to hurt anything!!! Cam sensor alignment... how does this get done? i am re-using the front cover that came with the motor, but was not installed... cover is on, never taken apart, so i never packed the pump...should I? then what do i do with the cam sensor... it is on the cover installed, but how do i know it is in the right position? ugh... im too excited about getting this together, that i finally got the whole model together! I just want to make sure im doing this right... it has been too long since the last time i did this... Im brain farting all over!!! John __________________ 84 hot air in the makings for low 12's MAGNA

09-14-2009, 10:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
racemybuick Which Mackey is that? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 1,436	i type 90+ words per min...didnt take long...lol.. as far as searching, I never heard of vortexbuicks.etc... when was this made??? i havent been on tbs.com since i sold the regal to murph... so it's been too long! thanks for the patience paul... did you ever get my pm? I appreciate the help, I really do... sorry i dont search first... just figured i could get the pro's advice here first before i go searching... wont do it again john __________________ 84 hot air in the makings for low 12's MAGNA

09-14-2009, 10:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
pacecarta MAGNABUICK.com .. NJ rep Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,198	took me about half an hour to type vortex buicks has been up for years ,,its steve woods site __________________ paul ....central NJ... only 5 weeks to go ...gettr' done!! the 86gn stock shortblock 71Q and some other boltons 1.46 10.41 129.85-etown in recovery , temp bone stock engine and turbo 12.50 107 @ 18psi -atco the 87gn te44 pac duttneck 11.31 120.9 @22psi 12.14 109.19 stock turbo at 22psi chips by turbotweak.com the 86 and some other Magna GNs having some fun at Atco Raceway http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...8c013e4547.htm 2010BPG member... #2045

09-14-2009, 10:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
pacecarta MAGNABUICK.com .. NJ rep Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,198	oh and gnttype.org has the info but thats been up since dinosours roamed the earth but whats posted is dated old school how tos and hard to follow since its usually just a text step by step written by a novice who liked to type __________________ paul ....central NJ... only 5 weeks to go ...gettr' done!! the 86gn stock shortblock 71Q and some other boltons 1.46 10.41 129.85-etown in recovery , temp bone stock engine and turbo 12.50 107 @ 18psi -atco the 87gn te44 pac duttneck 11.31 120.9 @22psi 12.14 109.19 stock turbo at 22psi chips by turbotweak.com the 86 and some other Magna GNs having some fun at Atco Raceway http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...8c013e4547.htm 2010BPG member... #2045

09-14-2009, 10:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
racemybuick Which Mackey is that? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 1,436	ok....so i have heard his name a million times!!! who is steve wood???? he is talked about over and over and over again, but I have NO clue who he is!!!! Paulie, what you do on the comp may be slow, but you make up for it in knowledge and 1/4 mile slips!!!! (a$$ kissing as a thanks for the help!!!) John __________________ 84 hot air in the makings for low 12's MAGNA

09-14-2009, 10:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
pacecarta MAGNABUICK.com .. NJ rep Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,198	getr done i got your pm but hotairs arent my cup o tea , everytime i look at one i cant help but think ford had a hand at the design . as its nearly impossible to work on the engine , just changing injectors or plugs is a nightmare , i/c injectors and sparkplugs can be changed faster than it took you to type the opening post __________________ paul ....central NJ... only 5 weeks to go ...gettr' done!! the 86gn stock shortblock 71Q and some other boltons 1.46 10.41 129.85-etown in recovery , temp bone stock engine and turbo 12.50 107 @ 18psi -atco the 87gn te44 pac duttneck 11.31 120.9 @22psi 12.14 109.19 stock turbo at 22psi chips by turbotweak.com the 86 and some other Magna GNs having some fun at Atco Raceway http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...8c013e4547.htm 2010BPG member... #2045

09-15-2009, 05:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
pacecarta MAGNABUICK.com .. NJ rep Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,198	well .... you found the site and there is lot to read there ... much better than gnttype even if it isnt a hotair resource site so .. did ya getr done yet??? __________________ paul ....central NJ... only 5 weeks to go ...gettr' done!! the 86gn stock shortblock 71Q and some other boltons 1.46 10.41 129.85-etown in recovery , temp bone stock engine and turbo 12.50 107 @ 18psi -atco the 87gn te44 pac duttneck 11.31 120.9 @22psi 12.14 109.19 stock turbo at 22psi chips by turbotweak.com the 86 and some other Magna GNs having some fun at Atco Raceway http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...8c013e4547.htm 2010BPG member... #2045

09-15-2009, 09:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
gbsean do not set chip to Valet Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Flanders, N.J. Posts: 14,199	STEVE WOOD IS GOD TO BUICKS __________________ UPCOMING BPG EVENTS 2010 Stage 1 CONVENTION July 30,31 Aug 1 2010 2011 TTA T-Type T-PARTY July 29,30,31 2011 11.599 @ 119.91 with issues Sean Ryder Buick Performance Group Chairman www.buickperformancegroup.com http://www.magnabuick.com/ see thread for Engine Specs http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/wa...tml#post680751 happy now Rich

09-15-2009, 10:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
racemybuick Which Mackey is that? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 1,436	i heard about that god status stuff...just never knew who or how! seems real cool tho! didnt get-r done yet...intake is being shipped out tomorrow hopefully...gettin powder coated and polished up... once that comes in, the bolting up starts... intake, gotta buy caspers cam tool, need the primer tool (can I just cut and old screwdriver and put it in a drill???), and a few other odds and ends to get buttoned up... waitin on a paycheck actually so I can get that nice T33c turbo...that would be nice... and need to hit the lotto so I can afford a DP and catback system... gbody gets 600 for a dp!!! PLUS SHIPPING!!!! that's what happens when you want real performance!!! lol... other than that, got an 87 comp, mat sensor, 87 coil, new injector harness, everything else is coming together!!! anyone got a spare MAF and translator? lol!!! its just $$$ right???? lol john __________________ 84 hot air in the makings for low 12's MAGNA

09-15-2009, 11:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
racemybuick Which Mackey is that? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 1,436	awesome!!! this is sooo great!!! just one paycheck (as long as it is a nice one!!), and this car will be running in a few days!!! I finished writing my curriculum...completely re-writing it!!! So, I get 2K for that, plus the new year just started, so I get my first check with a raise!!! this will nice!!! I get paid the 30th... I'll call hoobs tomorrow... I saw translators on ebay for 250+ ship...any cheaper anywhere? Im goin gto have my electric guru give me hand with the comp swap (jim testa)... I also need to get a new fuel pump... just found out my bro bought the wrong one (not a walbro)... Thanks so much Paul!!! As soon as I get to settign the timing, your phone will be ringing... Major goal is to have the car driving safely and consistently for NOV 8!!! That is my B-day, and Buicks at atco!!! How cool of a B-Day is that???? Thanks again and again!!! john __________________ 84 hot air in the makings for low 12's MAGNA

09-15-2009, 11:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
pacecarta MAGNABUICK.com .. NJ rep Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,198	the ecm is practically a plug in just need to add a inlet air temp sensor ( called MAT by some ) and run a wire from it to c11 (signal from MAT )at ecm and splice the ground for the IAT to D12, for what it matters you could put the iat sensor inside the car by the ecm or just have the iat ses flag for code 24 turned off in the chip, the ign module needs just a couple of wires swapped , unless you want to spend on the adapter from caspers maf/translator is plug and play and if you want new i can hook you up with new version 6.25 under 200 __________________ paul ....central NJ... only 5 weeks to go ...gettr' done!! the 86gn stock shortblock 71Q and some other boltons 1.46 10.41 129.85-etown in recovery , temp bone stock engine and turbo 12.50 107 @ 18psi -atco the 87gn te44 pac duttneck 11.31 120.9 @22psi 12.14 109.19 stock turbo at 22psi chips by turbotweak.com the 86 and some other Magna GNs having some fun at Atco Raceway http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...8c013e4547.htm 2010BPG member... #2045 Last edited by pacecarta; 09-15-2009 at 11:31 PM.

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