Stock Turbo Challenge!!

[84BuickGNYorkPA]

Very cool idea Scott, I like it, something different!

Chuck

[J Banning]

P.S. A quick google search turned up the following about track elevation...

Cecil County Dragway: 320 ft.

Old Bridge Township Raceway Park: 178 ft.

Atco Raceway: 33 ft.

[PhillyTurboSix]

Originally Posted by J Banning

P.S. A quick google search turned up the following about track elevation...

Cecil County Dragway: 320 ft.

Old Bridge Township Raceway Park: 178 ft.

Atco Raceway: 33 ft.

You meant to say Cecil is 320Ft at the start and 33Ft at the end right?

[Madboost]

Good idea.

For the turbo, porting really won't matter that much. The key would be wheel sizes, as long as that is stock diameter its all you can ask for.

The track location, well as it may not be the easiest for some members that are far away but I guess the guy giving out the money gets to set the rules

Sounds like fun, I wonder who will step up?

[1of1547]

My car did gain .35 when I went to Cecil. Before that it ran a 10.70 with the same everything. BUT the 10.70 run was in Columbus in 100 deg. weather. I talked to my buddy that runs a rail in Super Something. He more or a less told me that it is not uncommon to drop that much ET because of the altitude or air quality. He told me it is very hard to make the index there. They either lowered the index or were thinking about it.

I really don't think that we need to pull heads, turbine housings, etc. to do this. We are a small community of Buick enthusiasts that should not be cheating. If you really need $500 that bad, you really have issues. If anything pull the mass air pipe to confirm the compressor wheel. Almost everybody knows what everyone else has, if you don't your buddy knows. You know what I mean.

I would really love to do this, but I think I have a little to much converter for a stocker!!!

[murphster]

Originally Posted by J Banning

1) What determines "mild porting"? How exactly will you verify housing size? Are you talking about the compressor housing, the turbine housing, or both?

Both housings must be stock size. By mild porting, I just want the housings to still resemble stock turbos, not just a shell. The idea is to still be fair and the porting should resemble what people typically do, not a 100+ hour port job.

Originally Posted by J Banning

2) Race gas is ok if someone doesn't run alky, right?

Race gas + alky ok too. I just don't want a 100% alcohol car running or anything way out there. Pump gas, race gas, pump gas+alky, and race gas+alky are the four available options. Water or similar fluids could be used for injection as well.

Originally Posted by J Banning

3) Iin the NHRA stock class racing they require a record setter to remove a cylinder head for inspection (head, bore, stroke, cam, etc.) before the record will be issued. Are we doing the same?

4)As someone else already mentioned, I don't think the rule that runs need to be made at Etown is fair to all members – some of which live 3+ hours from that track. Any track should suffice as long as the racer can provide the time slip for the run and the signature of another club member witnesses that were there to see it made, no? I have seen people set records at ALL the tracks in our area, not just Cecil. As an example, my personal best was at US13 Dragway.

5) Regarding the stock heads, a 3-angle valve job will be ok, right? Who will be in charge of taking measurements & volume numbers by which we canm go by? Perhaps the NHRA already has this info somewhere that we can use?

Anything touched on the head would require a penalty. One of the benefits of using Englishtown would be that Pauls house is not far away and he has a lift....... The only reason we would have a breakdown or a full inspection would be if someone starts running numbers that are far faster than expected. Someone running much faster than 11.9s on a stock combo would be an example, unless there is a simple explanation. Hopefully we won't run into any issues and we will use a lot of trust.

The idea behind this challenge is for people to push their combos with stock turbos and try different things and see what works. I really don't know what a heads and cam car will run with a stock turbo. Hopefully there will be some innovative things that come out of this that aren't too far out there. One-off pieces made just for the challenge is not really the goal, but if its something that works than it might be good for everyone.

Thanks for everyone's input so far!

[TTA-343]

Originally Posted by 1of1547

My car did gain .35 when I went to Cecil. Before that it ran a 10.70 with the same everything. BUT the 10.70 run was in Columbus in 100 deg. weather. I talked to my buddy that runs a rail in Super Something. He more or a less told me that it is not uncommon to drop that much ET because of the altitude or air quality. He told me it is very hard to make the index there. They either lowered the index or were thinking about it.

I really don't think that we need to pull heads, turbine housings, etc. to do this. We are a small community of Buick enthusiasts that should not be cheating. If you really need $500 that bad, you really have issues. If anything pull the mass air pipe to confirm the compressor wheel. Almost everybody knows what everyone else has, if you don't your buddy knows. You know what I mean.

I would really love to do this, but I think I have a little to much converter for a stocker!!!

I was going to post the exact same thing Doug...Everyone I know who runs at etown..And im talking very consistent cars with many passes on them,Will always shave a few tenths off there ET at Cecil...Paul for Instance...We were running the cars at Englishtown on a Fri Nite,Getting ready for the Sat Cecil event...The car was dialed in Running super consistent like it always does.First pass off the trailer with no changes it ran a good amount faster,I dont remember the exact ET-mph change...But it was hard to believe the difference...Mostly everyone who goes there runs quicker than they usually do at other tracks...The last Cecil event..Almost the entire club set there best ET/mph...lol

Murph is putting up the Money...He sets the rules.

And I also dont think any teardown is going to be necessary.I would take the word of any of the club members that they are running what they say they are...Unless they pull a 9sec pass out of there hat on a stocker...Then maybe we might have to question it...lol

[TTA-343]

Also...Like I told Murph earlier...I am adding $100 dollars on top of his $500.

Thats $600 up for grabs.

If I had Pete's money...Not only would I burn mine,But I would match Murph's $500...But I dont..

[Vsix]

You guys better hope Red Armstrong or Tim stockwell don't see this challenge

[Purple87SS]

Sounds good,anyone gotta a stocker I can borrow?

[LBNJWE4]

If I get the '79 together by then, would it qualify? It will probably not compete with you guys, but it would be fun. I am going intercooled instead of hot-air, but is going to be pretty much stock except for the mods I am pulling off of the WE4 and hopefully alky someday.

[murphster]

Originally Posted by LBNJWE4

If I get the '79 together by then, would it qualify? It will probably not compete with you guys, but it would be fun. I am going intercooled instead of hot-air, but is going to be pretty much stock except for the mods I am pulling off of the WE4 and hopefully alky someday.

Glen, although its a Regal, I don't think it qualifies since I believe its a different chassis (A-body vs G-body). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[GrndNatnl]

Originally Posted by murphster

Glen, although its a Regal, I don't think it qualifies since I believe its a different chassis (A-body vs G-body). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

That may defeat the purpose of finding out what a stock turbo'ed LC2 would run in a G-bodied Buick. But that's up to the organizer to set the rules.

[3.8junkie]

I have never run at e-town but am looking forward to it. My silver t seems to run the same at cecil and atco with better mph at atco. Cant wait to try e-town.

[J Banning]

Originally Posted by Vsix

You guys better hope Red Armstrong or Tim stockwell don't see this challenge

This is for MAGNA members, right?