Immobilizers

[raregn]

All you better get your appointments for the MPI Immobilizer, as of Sept. 1/07 you are a forced install or they will not renew insurance.
And in the event of a theft you can't even get the car back until it has one installed.

[forzfed]

I still think it is BS! But you guys are back logged till next year. If my other car isn't running, how am I going to insure it to get one installed?

[raregn]

Worst case I'll have to bring it here on an "R" plate for you in the spring...

[forzfed]

Originally Posted by raregn

Worst case I'll have to bring it here on an "R" plate for you in the spring...

Oh hey, that might work!

[mike85gn]

How does this affect cars with storage insurance on them? They not going to let me reinsure it unless I let them install an immobilizer? If so, I'll just open the garage door and welcome them to come and pick it up themselves, cause she ain't going anywhere ;)

[forzfed]

Originally Posted by mike85gn

How does this affect cars with storage insurance on them? They not going to let me reinsure it unless I let them install an immobilizer? If so, I'll just open the garage door and welcome them to come and pick it up themselves, cause she ain't going anywhere ;)

No problem getting layup insurance but you cannot register it for the street unless you have an immobilizer. Heaven forbid we actually punish the theives!

[raregn]

luckily my new truck is not a forced install so that one expense I can avoid during the safety.

I am going to get one put in, it's great peace of mind.

[raregn]

Originally Posted by forzfed

Heaven forbid we actually punish the theives!

I agree Nick, but I respect MPI for at least trying to do something about the auto theft. I think they are now going to far with forcing everyone to install.

[gman]

you really think autopac is doing something about the theiving little bastards by making YOU install an immobilizer? you drive a grand national? Want your wiring harness hacked up? What do you think that does to the value of your car? Sure dosen't go up. Heard the horror stories from people with immobilizers? Wont start, starter wont quit running, fires, oh and did I mention butchered wiring harness. Yep Autopac is doing a great job protecting you from theives. Know what happens when they can't steal the car? They trash it so you end up being out a car anyway but hey this is Manitoba and you can always go to the auction and buy your car back. Good job autopac.

[raregn]

Originally Posted by gman

you really think autopac is doing something about the theiving little bastards by making YOU install an immobilizer? you drive a grand national? Want your wiring harness hacked up? What do you think that does to the value of your car? Sure dosen't go up. Heard the horror stories from people with immobilizers? Wont start, starter wont quit running, fires, oh and did I mention butchered wiring harness. Yep Autopac is doing a great job protecting you from theives. Know what happens when they can't steal the car? They trash it so you end up being out a car anyway but hey this is Manitoba and you can always go to the auction and buy your car back. Good job autopac.

Yes I do think MPI is doing something, however as I stated I also think they have overstepped their authority by forcing people to install.

And yes my Grand National has an immobilizer and I watched the whole installation process, I love the piece of mind it gives. If I really think it takes away from the value of the car when I try to sell it, I'll remove it if it going out of province..... it's only 3 wires

The only problems with immobilizers are due to installation error, at the shop where I work we've been installing then for a year and a half and we have only have 2 come back and they were a problem with the unit it self but in both cases the cars still started and ran normally, just the relays chattered

I have never in my life heard of an anti-theft device taking away from the value of a vehicle.

I still can't get over how people think that immonilizers cause problems because they are hard wired into the vehicle yet people see no problems with aftermarket stereo systems and TV's and video games installed, or remote starters or alarms and I have seen in a lot of cases with no circuit protection from the piss poor back yard jobs of installations. I have seen hundreds of cases where remote car starters or car alarms cause all sorts of driveability problems due to improper installations and never have I seen a driveability problems induced by an immobilizer.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the product..... ALWAYS blame the installer if there is a problem.

[gman]

I still believe cure the problem at the source. Remember when you could lock your car and leave it? A lock on your car or home means it should be secure but then I guess I am just living in the past. Why is the oness put on the owner of the car? Why is Winnipeg the only jurisdiction in north america where immoblizers are mandatory? Notice I said Winnipeg and not Manitoba. If you live outside Winnipeg and do not drive your vehicle into Winnipeg you do not need to install an immobilezer.

[raregn]

Originally Posted by gman

I still believe cure the problem at the source. Remember when you could lock your car and leave it? A lock on your car or home means it should be secure but then I guess I am just living in the past. Why is the oness put on the owner of the car? Why is Winnipeg the only jurisdiction in north america where immoblizers are mandatory? Notice I said Winnipeg and not Manitoba. If you live outside Winnipeg and do not drive your vehicle into Winnipeg you do not need to install an immobilezer.

My brother-in-law lives in Brandon and got a letter from MPI for his Sunbird to get a free immobilizer. a friend of mine lives in Gimli and does not commute and got a free one... I know BC has an immobilizer program but due to population it's not free, but is probably forced install after theft.

[helrazr]

i purchased a 1987 buick regal t-type limited from my father who purchased it from the states four years ago he never insured it. he just had storage insurance on it for those four years. i saftied it a month ago and i was told by mpi that it had to have an immobilizer installed in it. i said i'm not putting it in i won't register it. i live 5 hrs north of winnipeg. but cause the car is out of province they still want one installed. but they gave my a immobilizer exemption form to fill out. I just sent it in three days ago so i'm hoping i don''t have to install it. i had to take pics of the car and fill out a bunch of paper work. but i'm thinking its not going to work. i think its bull sh**. i'm also looking at buying a 1984 buick t-type with a stage 2 engine and the fast computer set-up . they better not think they are going to hack into the harness. besides im only going to drive the car 200-500 miles a year and i never let it out of my site. who are they to tell you what and what not you can do. thats like them telling me to put an immobilizer on my wife so nobody will steel her. i think its BS i charish my car. there has to be a better way.

[raregn]

It's good that you filled out the exemption forms, let us know how it works out for you.

As for cutting the harness, the immobilizer is not an intrusive device... it cuts into 3 circuits. If you have an aftermarket stereo in your car then you have cut more wires than the immobilizer will.

I have on on my 87' GN and my '03 Silverado and the piece of mind that it gives is very nice. I had to get my GN done before you could apply for exemption, Luckily I work at t shop that installs them so I supervised the install.

As for my truck the immobilizer saved it, had an attempted theft 9 days after I got it.

[mike85gn]

You know I still haven't received any letters telling me I need to get an immobilizer installed on either my Cavalier or the GN (7 years sleeping...). Since the Crapalier is my daily driver and it sees downtown every day for work, I'd actually like one installed. Glad wifey's new Compass has a factory unit, my parents have had nothing but trouble with their Autopac freebie.