Strange happenings

teamgn87 · 02-07-2010, 09:42 PM

Had the car out today. It got dark and when I turned the headlights on, the car stalled. I turned the lights off and tried to restart. The car sputtered and died. Tried one more time and the car started fine. I got no ses light and no codes on the scanmaster. What gives??

Steve Wood · 02-07-2010, 10:53 PM

bad battery? or alternator not charging?

teamgn87 · 02-07-2010, 11:04 PM

The battery is only a month old but it was sitting for a while. Scanmaster shows 13.8-14.0. Could it be because the battery had not fully charged yet?

Steve Wood · 02-08-2010, 08:36 AM

did the scanmaster show that when you turned the lights on? That should be okay

teamgn87 · 02-08-2010, 09:39 PM

It is starting to seem like every time there is an electrical load the cars idle drops and sometimes it tries to stall. When the car is running the sm shows 13.8-14.0 and it never drops below 13.5, but a significant load causes a bad stumble .

87GTA-turbo · 02-08-2010, 09:46 PM

Ground connection from BATT to passenger side head (under turbo)?

teamgn87 · 02-08-2010, 09:53 PM

I will take it off clean and re-install. Any other ideas?

TRICKSIXPA · 02-09-2010, 07:33 AM

I just had this same kind of problem. I had a short in on of my wires(can't remember which one it was for) My car was running and I saw a little smoke on the drivers side didn't think anything of it. Then car sputtered and dies. Checked the wire going to the ECM for power I was only getting 5volts. checked the wires under dash found small exposed wire possibly touching ground. Replaced.
Jumped battery car started right up. If you got no check engine light and no Scan Master there is not enough power going to ECM. Anyway hope this helps also going to change spark plugs since after my engine cranked back on had lots of gas fumes. Just waiting until it warms up a bit to do my spring cleaning 2010.

Stefan

TRICKSIXPA · 02-09-2010, 07:50 AM

Just read your thread again confused is your scan master working after your car stalled??
If not working check ECM wire if working I would ask what on your car do you have that would be a significant load? it should not stall just by turning headlights on. Any recent
wire work done. New gauges, stereo, other...

Steve Wood · 02-09-2010, 08:49 AM

Either the battery is dropping a cell when an electrical load is imposed, or, as above, you have some form of short...check the fusible links as they come off the starter and make sure they are not touching the exhaust. Also check the main battery cable to the starter to make sure it is not laying close to something it can short to. Might also give a gentle tug on the orange ecm wire/fusible link coming off the battery positive terminal and make sure it does not stretch or come apart when you do.

teamgn87 · 02-09-2010, 07:08 PM

Will do

02-07-2010, 09:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
teamgn87 too many toys Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: staten island n.y. Posts: 1,163	Strange happenings Had the car out today. It got dark and when I turned the headlights on, the car stalled. I turned the lights off and tried to restart. The car sputtered and died. Tried one more time and the car started fine. I got no ses light and no codes on the scanmaster. What gives?? __________________ 87 GN-TE61,60/65lb mototrons,walbro 340,ck trans,3000 stall,3"dp,3"stainless dual exhaust,adj.fpr.,adj wastegate,comp 980s,turbotweak chip,SM 2.1,full body brace kit,vdo guages,egt, rjc pp,Taylor 409s,homemade cold air,Snow Performance boost cooler,Eagle alloys Direct Scan, G-body parts SLIC and mini starter from Turbobuicks.com 88LX-331 ci Vortech S-trim,MSD,TFS,E-303,GT-40,Tremec,Pro-Flow,MAC,Flowmaster,31 spline strange axles,detroit diff,c-clip eliminator, Areomotive a-1000 03 Mercury Sable-family car-hot tune up,6000k h.i.d.s 98 Eddie Bauer Expedition-car hauler-k&n,3" Magnaflow exhaust,8000k h.i.d.s, xm satellite 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR 1300-2 Bros vale exhaust,k&n,PC III, frame sliders,Xenon lighting,blue led kit--makes things blurry, QUICKLY! Friends dont let friends drive naturally aspirated.

02-07-2010, 10:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Steve Wood Scam Detector Enabled Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 41,386	bad battery? or alternator not charging? __________________ ------------------ A proud member of Stonewallers Against Bogus Technology Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson . www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

02-07-2010, 11:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
teamgn87 too many toys Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: staten island n.y. Posts: 1,163	The battery is only a month old but it was sitting for a while. Scanmaster shows 13.8-14.0. Could it be because the battery had not fully charged yet? __________________ 87 GN-TE61,60/65lb mototrons,walbro 340,ck trans,3000 stall,3"dp,3"stainless dual exhaust,adj.fpr.,adj wastegate,comp 980s,turbotweak chip,SM 2.1,full body brace kit,vdo guages,egt, rjc pp,Taylor 409s,homemade cold air,Snow Performance boost cooler,Eagle alloys Direct Scan, G-body parts SLIC and mini starter from Turbobuicks.com 88LX-331 ci Vortech S-trim,MSD,TFS,E-303,GT-40,Tremec,Pro-Flow,MAC,Flowmaster,31 spline strange axles,detroit diff,c-clip eliminator, Areomotive a-1000 03 Mercury Sable-family car-hot tune up,6000k h.i.d.s 98 Eddie Bauer Expedition-car hauler-k&n,3" Magnaflow exhaust,8000k h.i.d.s, xm satellite 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR 1300-2 Bros vale exhaust,k&n,PC III, frame sliders,Xenon lighting,blue led kit--makes things blurry, QUICKLY! Friends dont let friends drive naturally aspirated.

02-08-2010, 08:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Wood Scam Detector Enabled Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 41,386	did the scanmaster show that when you turned the lights on? That should be okay __________________ ------------------ A proud member of Stonewallers Against Bogus Technology Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson . www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

02-08-2010, 09:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
teamgn87 too many toys Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: staten island n.y. Posts: 1,163	It is starting to seem like every time there is an electrical load the cars idle drops and sometimes it tries to stall. When the car is running the sm shows 13.8-14.0 and it never drops below 13.5, but a significant load causes a bad stumble . __________________ 87 GN-TE61,60/65lb mototrons,walbro 340,ck trans,3000 stall,3"dp,3"stainless dual exhaust,adj.fpr.,adj wastegate,comp 980s,turbotweak chip,SM 2.1,full body brace kit,vdo guages,egt, rjc pp,Taylor 409s,homemade cold air,Snow Performance boost cooler,Eagle alloys Direct Scan, G-body parts SLIC and mini starter from Turbobuicks.com 88LX-331 ci Vortech S-trim,MSD,TFS,E-303,GT-40,Tremec,Pro-Flow,MAC,Flowmaster,31 spline strange axles,detroit diff,c-clip eliminator, Areomotive a-1000 03 Mercury Sable-family car-hot tune up,6000k h.i.d.s 98 Eddie Bauer Expedition-car hauler-k&n,3" Magnaflow exhaust,8000k h.i.d.s, xm satellite 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR 1300-2 Bros vale exhaust,k&n,PC III, frame sliders,Xenon lighting,blue led kit--makes things blurry, QUICKLY! Friends dont let friends drive naturally aspirated.

02-08-2010, 09:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
87GTA-turbo Stupidest man alive. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Beaufort, SC Posts: 2,873	Ground connection from BATT to passenger side head (under turbo)? __________________ Steve- “It only gets worse...." 1987 GN, Moonroof, GNX dash, 109 .030 TRW Forged TE-62, G Body DP, 204/214cam, 60-65 Siemens inj, Extender chip, LS1 MAF, port matched intake and heads, Razor's Alky, Hotwired Denso 280 pump, Extreme Trans, Pats 3200 11 in. conv, Metco LCA's Monitored by:PLX WB, EGT, SM & DS 11.8 @ 117 w/ the 4.1 (RIP) 7/08 2001 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 I6 4x4 A million man army, armada of ships, jets enough to darken the sky; isn't nearly the dangerous an enemy to this country as Washington DC is to it.

02-08-2010, 09:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
teamgn87 too many toys Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: staten island n.y. Posts: 1,163	I will take it off clean and re-install. Any other ideas? __________________ 87 GN-TE61,60/65lb mototrons,walbro 340,ck trans,3000 stall,3"dp,3"stainless dual exhaust,adj.fpr.,adj wastegate,comp 980s,turbotweak chip,SM 2.1,full body brace kit,vdo guages,egt, rjc pp,Taylor 409s,homemade cold air,Snow Performance boost cooler,Eagle alloys Direct Scan, G-body parts SLIC and mini starter from Turbobuicks.com 88LX-331 ci Vortech S-trim,MSD,TFS,E-303,GT-40,Tremec,Pro-Flow,MAC,Flowmaster,31 spline strange axles,detroit diff,c-clip eliminator, Areomotive a-1000 03 Mercury Sable-family car-hot tune up,6000k h.i.d.s 98 Eddie Bauer Expedition-car hauler-k&n,3" Magnaflow exhaust,8000k h.i.d.s, xm satellite 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR 1300-2 Bros vale exhaust,k&n,PC III, frame sliders,Xenon lighting,blue led kit--makes things blurry, QUICKLY! Friends dont let friends drive naturally aspirated.

02-09-2010, 07:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
TRICKSIXPA Time to bring the Pain!!! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brookhaven,PA Posts: 134	I just had this same kind of problem. I had a short in on of my wires(can't remember which one it was for) My car was running and I saw a little smoke on the drivers side didn't think anything of it. Then car sputtered and dies. Checked the wire going to the ECM for power I was only getting 5volts. checked the wires under dash found small exposed wire possibly touching ground. Replaced. Jumped battery car started right up. If you got no check engine light and no Scan Master there is not enough power going to ECM. Anyway hope this helps also going to change spark plugs since after my engine cranked back on had lots of gas fumes. Just waiting until it warms up a bit to do my spring cleaning 2010. Stefan __________________ 1987 Buick Grand Nat stock turbo, Turbo Tweek Chip5.6, 42.5 Injectors, hotwire kit, .030 Bored block TRW forged pistons.Dutt Neck innercooler, Adj FPR w/ rail gauge Eibach springs, HR mounts, single shot exhaust. 2008 V6 Ford Fusion. 1997 V6 Ford F-150 4x4 2006 Scion TC (destroyed) 1984 Turbo t regal (sold) MAGNA Member

02-09-2010, 07:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
TRICKSIXPA Time to bring the Pain!!! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brookhaven,PA Posts: 134	Just read your thread again confused is your scan master working after your car stalled?? If not working check ECM wire if working I would ask what on your car do you have that would be a significant load? it should not stall just by turning headlights on. Any recent wire work done. New gauges, stereo, other... __________________ 1987 Buick Grand Nat stock turbo, Turbo Tweek Chip5.6, 42.5 Injectors, hotwire kit, .030 Bored block TRW forged pistons.Dutt Neck innercooler, Adj FPR w/ rail gauge Eibach springs, HR mounts, single shot exhaust. 2008 V6 Ford Fusion. 1997 V6 Ford F-150 4x4 2006 Scion TC (destroyed) 1984 Turbo t regal (sold) MAGNA Member

02-09-2010, 08:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Steve Wood Scam Detector Enabled Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 41,386	Either the battery is dropping a cell when an electrical load is imposed, or, as above, you have some form of short...check the fusible links as they come off the starter and make sure they are not touching the exhaust. Also check the main battery cable to the starter to make sure it is not laying close to something it can short to. Might also give a gentle tug on the orange ecm wire/fusible link coming off the battery positive terminal and make sure it does not stretch or come apart when you do. __________________ ------------------ A proud member of Stonewallers Against Bogus Technology Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson . www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

02-09-2010, 07:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
teamgn87 too many toys Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: staten island n.y. Posts: 1,163	Will do __________________ 87 GN-TE61,60/65lb mototrons,walbro 340,ck trans,3000 stall,3"dp,3"stainless dual exhaust,adj.fpr.,adj wastegate,comp 980s,turbotweak chip,SM 2.1,full body brace kit,vdo guages,egt, rjc pp,Taylor 409s,homemade cold air,Snow Performance boost cooler,Eagle alloys Direct Scan, G-body parts SLIC and mini starter from Turbobuicks.com 88LX-331 ci Vortech S-trim,MSD,TFS,E-303,GT-40,Tremec,Pro-Flow,MAC,Flowmaster,31 spline strange axles,detroit diff,c-clip eliminator, Areomotive a-1000 03 Mercury Sable-family car-hot tune up,6000k h.i.d.s 98 Eddie Bauer Expedition-car hauler-k&n,3" Magnaflow exhaust,8000k h.i.d.s, xm satellite 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR 1300-2 Bros vale exhaust,k&n,PC III, frame sliders,Xenon lighting,blue led kit--makes things blurry, QUICKLY! Friends dont let friends drive naturally aspirated.

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