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Old 12-07-2008, 02:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Washer into PCV hole

I dropped/lost a washer while trying to tap in a new PCV grommet. I've tried getting it out with magnets and a vacuum with no luck. Will it just sit down there without causing harm or do I need to remove the intake to get it out??
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Old 12-07-2008, 03:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If it was a chunk of grommet I'd say leave it there but a washer is pretty scary. It can make it past the valley pan and down into the engine (where it might have already travelled).
I'd drop the pan and see if it's there. That's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than pulling the intake.
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I thought it might get stuck on top of the intake gasket and be safe there. But I'll do the pan idea to be safe.
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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if you have pan valley intake gasket let it be . Been there its not going anywhere.
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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problem is it still might be in the valley pan....and not yet dropped into top of valley...so you might not find it in the oil pan....do you have a boroscope that you can stick in the hole to see if you can see it....they make pick up magnets with flexible shafts so you can bend them....
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I thought it might get stuck on top of the intake gasket and be safe there. But I'll do the pan idea to be safe.
You want SAFE!?...You have no choice but to likely go after it from both top & bottom.--You MUST find & remove it to be SAFE.

If you look for & NOT find it in oil pan, you still need pull intake & find/remove the "offender"...(It's not likely small enuf to have yet dropped into pan--& not likely to anyhow).

What's more likely IS, that it's now still on top of intake gasket--but would work it's way down to possibly do more damage in lifter galley...?

How big/what was diameter of offending washer??
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It is the size of a dime.
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Old 12-07-2008, 10:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Double check up under the runners, you may be lucking and it didn't go in. If you're sure it did, then it has to come out. I have to ask, what was you doing with a washer around the pvc hole?
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Double check up under the runners, you may be lucking and it didn't go in. If you're sure it did, then it has to come out. I have to ask, what was you doing with a washer around the pvc hole?
I agree with the above. More than likely, it is still on TOP of the manifold. Or did you push it through the hole, or do you "think" it went down the hole?

Years ago, I was working on a Fokker27 turboprop, http://www.planeboys.de/images/SXF%2...urope_fk27.jpg and was changing an AC generator. When I was installing the cooling shroud (the generator has a cooling fan to keep it cool) and I was trying to install the T-Bolt clamp on the shroud, and it popped out of my fingers (like a T-Bolt clamp for intercooler hoses, except it was 12" in diameter) and I "thought" I saw it fall (actually "shoot") down the gear box dip stick hole. Well after spending more than 2 hours pulling the generator, Starter, DC generator, and the top of the turbine engine (Rolls-Royce Dart) accessory gear box, and running my whole arm and hand into it, I found NOTHING!! I had to re-install the gear box cover (like installing the top on a HUGE Swiss watch, with 40+ bolts), then re installing the starter, A/C generator, and DC generator, and all the cooling ducts. What a PAIN! I never did find the T-bolt. When we started the engine, I was crapping razor blades! I thought for SURE that it was still in there! The plane left the hanger, and was flying passengers in a matter of hours. It never did show up.
So, Just because you think it went down the PCV hole, doesn't mean it actually did.
The Fokker 27 was flown for YEARS an years with NO problems. Still flying today, 28 years later. (though I'm sure it has had the engines replaced, by now.)
Just be thankful it's a Buick, and not an aircraft. That will cause you sleepless nights. ("Did I install that? Did I safety wire that? Did I sign that paperwork? Did I torque that bolt?" Working on cars is MUCH easier than aircraft. Don't loose any sleep over it.
Even if the washer did fall into the lifter valley, the only issue would be if it fell into the timing chain. If you STAND on it, it'll end up in the back of the lifter valley, and might drop through, to the oil pan, and stay there till you pull it and remove the washer. If you install a magnetic drain plug in the pan, you might luckout and have it stick to it in the future. If you really want to make sure it's out, (and I don't blame you) pull the intake manifold. It would have fallen onto the intake gasket (valley pan), unless you are running Fel-Pro 1200 gaskets. If so, it is in the lifter valley, OR the oil pan.
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I do have the felpro 1200, and I am not 100% it went into the hole. When my nerves calm down I'll double check the under the plenum again. To answer the question about why the washer was there, I was using it on top of the grommet to tap it flush using the top of a screw driver handle while installing a new grommet. The grommet kind of popped out and the washer is no where to be seen. If I don't find it under the plenum, I will pull the intake just to be sure.
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When I was installing a new grommet and PCV valve, the hole in the new grommet is smaller than in the OEM grommet. I accidently pushed the grommet through the hole in the intake. So far it hasn't caused any issues. Should I be worried? I think Richard Clark/Kirban has come out with a grommet with the correct size hole.
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When I was installing a new grommet and PCV valve, the hole in the new grommet is smaller than in the OEM grommet. I accidently pushed the grommet through the hole in the intake. So far it hasn't caused any issues. Should I be worried? I think Richard Clark/Kirban has come out with a grommet with the correct size hole.

If you have a stock style valley pan intake gasket, then it will be fine in there untill you need to pull the intake manifold. If you have 1200 Fel-Pro non-valley pan intake gaskets, then it still should be OK. It really can't do much damage, even if it does fall into the timing chain. It's too big to fall through the holes in the lifter valley.
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