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Old 03-05-2008, 08:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR OF 1987 !?!

Being the proud owner of two turbo Buicks,a 1987 WE4 and a 1987 Grand National,I have the bragging rights to the commonly used referral as 1987's fastest American production car,right? I am asking where and or who qualified this claim,was it a shootout from an auto magazine,is it a goverment stat? (ha ha).Was it the highest rated HP/weight ratio that gave it that title? Also if there were basically cosmetic changes from the 1986 to the 1987 G N ,was it also the fastest production car in 1986 also,and why,did the Vette actually lose the title in 1987 only? I know this is a rather niave open question,but I want to get my facts straight. Thanks all !!! Tony T
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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honest to god, i came online to find this out with google. weird you posting this now
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In 1986 Car Craft, Motor Trend, Car and Driver (among others) recorded the quickest 1/4 mile times with the turbo Regal (Motor Trend and C/D tested a GN, the other test car was a grey 86 T-Type). C/D got the best recorded time for the GN at 14 flat, I forget the magazine now but the T-Type was recorded at 13.8 something. So far as I remember there were no changes to the Corvette between 86-87 so theoretically the turbo was still faster, but the overall fastest title went to the GNX fo 87
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Old 03-06-2008, 03:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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There was a HP difference from 86 to 87 GN's but I forgot why.

The T Type was the real sleeper due to the lower weight but they both got steamed by the GNX.
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Old 03-06-2008, 05:44 AM   #5 (permalink)
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That still seems a little vauge to me,did the Buicks win in every magazine shootout? You ststed that these were 1986 cars,so this wasn't confirmed in 1987? What was the time for the corvette? Did they race side by side in any of these 'shootouts',or in identical conditions? Don't get me wrong,I am the G N fan,but those Corvette guys (oh yeah,I have one of those too) can be pretty loyal and dogmatic. I am still looking for some cold hard facts. Thanks again.
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The Turbo Regal held the record for "Quickest" production car of 1987. Quickest not fastest.
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There was a HP difference from 86 to 87 GN's but I forgot why.

The T Type was the real sleeper due to the lower weight but they both got steamed by the GNX.
86 had the ugly grille

87's felt better they werent as ugly so they put out more power.
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Fastest production car of 1987 was the Ferrari F40. Fastest "American car" was the Turbo Buick
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The fastest claim refers to quarter mile times. This is America and not the Autobahn afterall. Pick up any buff book from 1986 and the TR holds that distinction. Buick loaded down the "press fleet" with ringers so if your magazine couldn't do a 13.9 than there was something wrong with the driver. Again a simple chip swap and instant 13 seconds. What's the difference between a 13.9 and 14's? About a pound or two of boost and a degree of timing. Not to hard to make a ringer out of these cars.A little harder for the Corvette because of it's natural aspirated motor. If you search through the buff books for 1987 you'll see that most TR tests were a tad slower. Still high 13's but most were testing the heavier GN and not the T-Type like in 86. The HP difference between 86 and 87 was purely on paper. Both years were underrated anyway.The 86 GN was lighter than the 87 GN only because they had aluminum bumper reinforcements. I could babble on all day about the myths and legend of the TR but really any comparisons amount to comparing apples to oranges.
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I have a buddy of mine who is a TB owner, he will argue all day that the GN is not a 13 sec. stock car. He says the magazine test doesn't count because that car was setup and tweaked to run that number on a cold day

I always argue back that as long as all stock parts were used, I don't care that the car was tuned correctly and that it was cold on test day. The car ran the number and showed the potential each car off the factory line could run.

Anyway, getting back on topic, didn't a magazine run a GN or GNX against the Corvette?
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The fastest claim refers to quarter mile times. This is America and not the Autobahn afterall. Pick up any buff book from 1986 and the TR holds that distinction. Buick loaded down the "press fleet" with ringers so if your magazine couldn't do a 13.9 than there was something wrong with the driver. Again a simple chip swap and instant 13 seconds. What's the difference between a 13.9 and 14's? About a pound or two of boost and a degree of timing. Not to hard to make a ringer out of these cars.A little harder for the Corvette because of it's natural aspirated motor. If you search through the buff books for 1987 you'll see that most TR tests were a tad slower. Still high 13's but most were testing the heavier GN and not the T-Type like in 86. The HP difference between 86 and 87 was purely on paper. Both years were underrated anyway.The 86 GN was lighter than the 87 GN only because they had aluminum bumper reinforcements. I could babble on all day about the myths and legend of the TR but really any comparisons amount to comparing apples to oranges.
Regardless of location the thread is about "Fastest Production car" The F40 went 11.8@124 It also happened to go 201 mph for the Autobahn fans
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FASTEST AMERICAN PRODUCTION CAR

If you read the thread it clearly asks about the fastest American production car,I just abbreviated the title so it would fit. Ferrari and Porsche aside,I still do not have a very convincing argument for the TR's. To call a GNX a production car is a stretch,so again I ask"In both years,1986 and 1987,where does one back up the claim that the Grand National or T's were the fastest production car." Thanks all. Tony T
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so again I ask"In both years,1986 and 1987,where does one back up the claim that the Grand National or T's were the fastest production car." Thanks all. Tony T
I usually do it with my right foot on the gas pedal.

Anyone else know how to substantiate it any better?
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If you read the thread it clearly asks about the fastest American production car,I just abbreviated the title so it would fit. Ferrari and Porsche aside,I still do not have a very convincing argument for the TR's. To call a GNX a production car is a stretch,so again I ask"In both years,1986 and 1987,where does one back up the claim that the Grand National or T's were the fastest production car." Thanks all. Tony T
Yes you have the right to claim fastest "American" production car with your Buick. But to answer the lead question Ferrari F40 was the fastest production car of 1987. The GNX was a production car (547) so was the Ferrari with around 1300 made. Do a search of 1987 specs and you will come up with some proof.
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