GN Stolen and Recovered all within 24 hours

WickedTR · 03-18-2002, 01:17 PM

Awww damn....

You guys won't believe what happened to me on Saturday, I had my GN listed for sale in the local paper and on the Net...Two guys show up to my door interested in my car...I'm all excited cuz I think I have a serious buyer after a bunch of people calling and interested with no money, This guy and his friend say they have the money and were willing to buy within a few days. So I run and grab the keys to my precious GN and started her up and let it idle for a few minutes..The club mind you was still on my steering wheel at this point. The guys ask if I can back the car out of my dark no lite garage and me and my stupid self agree, but in order to do this I had to move my other car (Toyota) out of the driveway and as I backed my car out of the driveway, this punk jumps into my GN backs it out of the driveway and I look inside my car and walk up to it to get inside to find why the *&*# he backed my car out and as I grab for the passenger door he shoots up the street like a bat outta hell.....

His friend is still sitting in his car..At this point I didn't know what too think. I have this errie feeling that he just stole my car but wanna believe that he took it for a test drive and just didn't want me in it?? Don't ask cuz I know that is the epidimy of damn stupidity..So I go to his friends car and ask him whats up with your friend taking off with my car like that needless to say without me in it?? His friend is like well he's just going for a little test drive...I actually believe this idiot!! So 15 minutes go by and I cautiously ask this guy Is your friend a thief? He laughs and says "Naw man"...I say well lets go and look for him and this guy is afraid to go with me in my car and keeps stalling so I'm getting very aggitated at this point and say @$#& it lets find him in your car so this guy had his car parked in my driveway....Awww wait before this occurs I ask his friend where does he stay?? (Referring to the Bastard that took my car??) He said with a Friend. The guy said I think I have his girls number so he looks up her number gives it to me talks to her and asks if she had seem him and I can hear her say no. Remember this cuz this will come in handy.

Back to the events, The guy gets into his car and as I park mine on the curb , this motha$#@& locks his door and speeds backwards outta my driveway so I this point I thoroughly convinced that this was a plot from the very start...I jump into my car a 4 Cylinder 99 Camry no match for what this guy had (Late Model Impala SS V-8 I think) i pursue him and he's jumpin curves and running lights and I'm doing the same chasing him and with the police on my cell phone...After about 3 minutes of chasing him I lost him and the police told me to head home.

I meet the officer there and I give her the info needed plus the phone number to his apparent girlfriend..Later on that night the turd that stole my car called me on my cell phone and said "I took the car and showed it to my girlfriend" and I needed the rest of the money to the buy the car (Btw $14,000 was the asking price) He said he was going to bring my car back...I of course called the police and they set-up a parameter around my house and around the block trying to nab this idiot in case he's really this damn foolish to drive a stolen car back to the site of theft. Needless to say he doesn't come......Later that night and at about 6:30 Sunday morning I get a call saying they found my car in great condition. It was parked not to far from his girlfriends house whom the police traced back to that number his friend had called while I was in his car!! The police said when they found it the alarm was "Armed" I went to the station and saw the car, Thank GOD my car was in one piece, my GTA wheels were still on, my monitoring gauges were still in my car, 6-disc changer, Amp and Kicker Box was still in the Trunk, all chrome pieces under the hood were still there....Get this, they took all my paperwork I left in the car, my club and like 5 cd's I had in the car but nothing else?? I dunno if they were planning on waiting until 1st thing Monday morning to do a full strip job on the car or what? Cuz records show cars like ours are stolen 99% are recovered in bits and pieces not as a whole...The Police found my car roughly 4:00 in the morning with no frost on it cuz where I stay (Michigan) its still pretty cold this time of year. It was cold that night probably (high 20's or low 30's) Get this the police said they went by the house around Mid-night and the car wasn't there came back around 4:00 and found it. These pricks were joy riding in my car. After I had the car towed to my house and back into my garage for the hell of it i check the gas cap cuz I was going to fill the tank up with gas and know for a fact that the car had less than 1/4 tank of gas when it was stolen...Sure enough my cap was left unlocked cuz I have a special locking gas cap w/key....So these damn foo's joy rode in my car and even put gas into my car...Here's the funny part I think I know why they didn't cruise longer or all night...MY CAR DOES NOT HAVE ANY HEAT, IT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED YET, THESE PRICKS WERE PROBABLY COLD AS HELL TRYING TO CRUISE IN MY CAR WITH ICE COLD AIR BLOWING IN THEIR FACE!!!!! THEY SHOULD FEATURED IN THE WORLDS MOST DUMBEST CRIMINALS TV SHOW!!

I consider myself one lucky fellow no doubt in my mind, They still got my keys and alarm pad, so today I arranged for a Pro Locksmith to come and and replace my ignition and design a new key.....He's also going to re-key my drivers and passenger doors and trunk...I'm then going to go and have the remote alarm pad I do have thankfully I had two of them re-programmed. Also purchased a hardened steel column lock!!

Listen to this too, I always keep my loaded 9mm in my glove compartment but that Friday I had taken my 9mm glock pistol back to the gun shop cuz I didn't feel the need for it but I think GOD knows I would have used it and perhaps killed someone and be sitting in jail right now instead of here @ work telling my fellow GN Owners about my horrible weekend from Hell.....

Todd

T-REX · 03-18-2002, 01:31 PM

You must be Irish cause you sure were lucky on St. Patricks Day. What happened to those jerks?

firebird_1252 · 03-18-2002, 02:27 PM

my car dont have any heat eather

your lucky man..

WickedTR · 03-18-2002, 03:30 PM

T-Rex,

The Police are still looking for those weasels..I'll be sure to let everybody know when these bum's are caught, yeah and I'm working on my heat problem..I'm kinda glad I didn't get it fixed so those retarded jerks couldn't ride around in comfort....

Todd

Steve Wood · 03-18-2002, 07:15 PM

They ain't too bright if they sat there in your driveway with license plates in plain view and called a girl friend to boot....

glad someone has some luck

TWIN86GNS · 03-18-2002, 10:03 PM

That's got to be the wildest story I have ever heard!!!! Glad to hear that you got your car back and everything was still intact.

Paul Beal
pbeal@sympatico.ca

forzfed · 03-18-2002, 10:19 PM

Glad you got the car back! I sold my old T-Type to a guy at work. The T-Type was stolen and never seen since. We had a member of our Club(MGNA) have his GN stolen. It was recovered 3 months later on a reserve. Guess what they stole.

The brake calipers, the 5 1/4" speaker in the door, and the heater blower motor!(I KNOW) You think the punks that tried to steal your car were stupid?

Glad to hear it worked out for you! If it was me, I'd be hunting!

BooBoo231cu · 03-18-2002, 10:50 PM

Glad to hear you got it back. They must have had some balls! Thats nuts! That would have been cool if you could have shot up that dudes Impala SS though. Glad to hear it turned out OK.

WickedTR · 03-19-2002, 10:08 AM

Hey guys,

I know even when I think and re-cant the events of that horrible day it seems sur-real or something that came straight outta of a movie....Hey fella's do any of you guys have a column lock called "STEADFAST"...Its a couple hundred bucks and the locksmith who replaced my ingition and re-keyed my doors and trunk said that is the best device against thief cuz he said its made of hardened steel and that the way its mounted it would really slow a thief down considerably....

If any of you guys have this let me know if its worth the investment or not? Get this I looked in my CD Changer last nite and the punk that took my car stole my CD's right, well he left one of his CD's in my changer and when I started the car the gas tank was damn empty...These thieves were bold and brazing w/o a doubt...I'm still pissed though!!!!!

Steve Wood · 03-19-2002, 10:20 AM

I have a sTeadfast collar on both of my Regals...it fits very snuggly and some don't like it but no one is going to take your car with it on...it would take a die grinder and quite some time to cut thru it...
http://www.steadfastcorp.com/

WickedTR · 03-19-2002, 11:00 AM

Steve,

Thanks for the information....A die grinder?? Damn!! OK, I going to make an appointment to get one installed this weekend...Do they make them in chrome?

Todd

shaunchrisc · 03-19-2002, 01:21 PM

Sorry that had to happen, but you really got lucky. I think those steering collar locks are a great investment.

Your car was already running, but most people know that it takes less than a minute to get into a Regal and fire it up with no theft deterants.

Anytime my car is not locked in the garage with the Cavalier parked behind it, I have my collar lock on it. Stay away from those clubs because stock steering wheels are expensive to replace.

Put on as many deterants that are possible without making you take an hour to start your own car. Although, someone can always tow it too. There is no stoping a professional theif, but your theives were ammetures to say the least.

------------------
1987 GN 14" K&N, adj. wastegate, adj. FPR, XP Armstrong hotwired, 160*-stat, Hooker 2.5" catback exaust, custom chip, shift kit, trans cooler, vdo boost/oil/temp guages, scanmaster II, GNX wanna-be rims, the rest is stock..except for all the stuff that doesn't last 15yrs.

1987 Cavalier Z24 daily driver. 3-chamber flowmaster and 135db worth of stereo.

Shaun

CDNGN · 03-19-2002, 02:15 PM

That was not luck, it was a miracle you had the car returned with minimal loss.

Scary lesson. As stated above, you can disable the car, but nothing will stop it from being towed...

If you pursue your attempt to sell it, do not show it without a least one person with you. Unless I had quite a bit of information about a person, and at least a couple of conversations that made me feel somewhat comfortable, I never had a potential buyer come to my house to look at a car. Most of the time, I met them at the local police station....

[This message has been edited by CDNGN (edited March 19, 2002).]

WickedTR · 03-19-2002, 02:27 PM

Shaun,

I couldn't agree with you more buddy, pro thiefs will always find away around security devices...But if you think about it people who design and make these thief security devices end up becoming crooks cuz they know how to by-pass almost any security system and/or device available?? I've spoken to several lock-smiths' who use to steal cars and break into homes for a living...How did they learn too?? Locksmithin' is a good start hey??

CDNGN,

Thats a damn good idea to meet up with a potential buyer @ the police station, now that I had never even considered....Great suggestion, I will definitely use this one!!

Todd

T-REX · 03-19-2002, 02:31 PM

Another suggestion as a theft deterrent for all of you is to cut your door lock knobs. It seems to me that most petty thieves open up our doors by pulling back the drivers or passenger side window at the top-rear corner. They'll stick thier arm in or some grabbing object to pull up your door lock knob and then they're in for the stereo and other valuables. This is how they stole the stereo out of my '86 non-turbo Regal. After that happened I decided to cut my door lock knobs on that car and my '87 Turbo-T. Check your weather stripping along this corner to see if its torn, maybe someone already tried on your car, but wasn't successful.

You all probably think you don't want to mess with the originality or make your knobs look like %&*$, but I did a nice job. I purchased some aftermarket chrome knobs minus the bulb at the end at a local auto parts store. I had to cut the threaded metal stud that holds the knob and drill the hole deeper into the new knob to make the top of the new knob flush with the knob hole. It was kind of a pain-staking process, but it came out looking like it was stock and I feel better when I park my car on the street or in a big parking lot. I would suggest you guys practicing on some old car parts from a junkyard before putting that Dremmel tool to your prize possesion. Good luck!

03-18-2002, 01:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
WickedTR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oak Park, MI Posts: 8	GN Stolen and Recovered all within 24 hours Awww damn.... You guys won't believe what happened to me on Saturday, I had my GN listed for sale in the local paper and on the Net...Two guys show up to my door interested in my car...I'm all excited cuz I think I have a serious buyer after a bunch of people calling and interested with no money, This guy and his friend say they have the money and were willing to buy within a few days. So I run and grab the keys to my precious GN and started her up and let it idle for a few minutes..The club mind you was still on my steering wheel at this point. The guys ask if I can back the car out of my dark no lite garage and me and my stupid self agree, but in order to do this I had to move my other car (Toyota) out of the driveway and as I backed my car out of the driveway, this punk jumps into my GN backs it out of the driveway and I look inside my car and walk up to it to get inside to find why the &# he backed my car out and as I grab for the passenger door he shoots up the street like a bat outta hell..... His friend is still sitting in his car..At this point I didn't know what too think. I have this errie feeling that he just stole my car but wanna believe that he took it for a test drive and just didn't want me in it?? Don't ask cuz I know that is the epidimy of damn stupidity..So I go to his friends car and ask him whats up with your friend taking off with my car like that needless to say without me in it?? His friend is like well he's just going for a little test drive...I actually believe this idiot!! So 15 minutes go by and I cautiously ask this guy Is your friend a thief? He laughs and says "Naw man"...I say well lets go and look for him and this guy is afraid to go with me in my car and keeps stalling so I'm getting very aggitated at this point and say @$#& it lets find him in your car so this guy had his car parked in my driveway....Awww wait before this occurs I ask his friend where does he stay?? (Referring to the Bastard that took my car??) He said with a Friend. The guy said I think I have his girls number so he looks up her number gives it to me talks to her and asks if she had seem him and I can hear her say no. Remember this cuz this will come in handy. Back to the events, The guy gets into his car and as I park mine on the curb , this motha$#@& locks his door and speeds backwards outta my driveway so I this point I thoroughly convinced that this was a plot from the very start...I jump into my car a 4 Cylinder 99 Camry no match for what this guy had (Late Model Impala SS V-8 I think) i pursue him and he's jumpin curves and running lights and I'm doing the same chasing him and with the police on my cell phone...After about 3 minutes of chasing him I lost him and the police told me to head home. I meet the officer there and I give her the info needed plus the phone number to his apparent girlfriend..Later on that night the turd that stole my car called me on my cell phone and said "I took the car and showed it to my girlfriend" and I needed the rest of the money to the buy the car (Btw $14,000 was the asking price) He said he was going to bring my car back...I of course called the police and they set-up a parameter around my house and around the block trying to nab this idiot in case he's really this damn foolish to drive a stolen car back to the site of theft. Needless to say he doesn't come......Later that night and at about 6:30 Sunday morning I get a call saying they found my car in great condition. It was parked not to far from his girlfriends house whom the police traced back to that number his friend had called while I was in his car!! The police said when they found it the alarm was "Armed" I went to the station and saw the car, Thank GOD my car was in one piece, my GTA wheels were still on, my monitoring gauges were still in my car, 6-disc changer, Amp and Kicker Box was still in the Trunk, all chrome pieces under the hood were still there....Get this, they took all my paperwork I left in the car, my club and like 5 cd's I had in the car but nothing else?? I dunno if they were planning on waiting until 1st thing Monday morning to do a full strip job on the car or what? Cuz records show cars like ours are stolen 99% are recovered in bits and pieces not as a whole...The Police found my car roughly 4:00 in the morning with no frost on it cuz where I stay (Michigan) its still pretty cold this time of year. It was cold that night probably (high 20's or low 30's) Get this the police said they went by the house around Mid-night and the car wasn't there came back around 4:00 and found it. These pricks were joy riding in my car. After I had the car towed to my house and back into my garage for the hell of it i check the gas cap cuz I was going to fill the tank up with gas and know for a fact that the car had less than 1/4 tank of gas when it was stolen...Sure enough my cap was left unlocked cuz I have a special locking gas cap w/key....So these damn foo's joy rode in my car and even put gas into my car...Here's the funny part I think I know why they didn't cruise longer or all night...MY CAR DOES NOT HAVE ANY HEAT, IT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED YET, THESE PRICKS WERE PROBABLY COLD AS HELL TRYING TO CRUISE IN MY CAR WITH ICE COLD AIR BLOWING IN THEIR FACE!!!!! THEY SHOULD FEATURED IN THE WORLDS MOST DUMBEST CRIMINALS TV SHOW!! I consider myself one lucky fellow no doubt in my mind, They still got my keys and alarm pad, so today I arranged for a Pro Locksmith to come and and replace my ignition and design a new key.....He's also going to re-key my drivers and passenger doors and trunk...I'm then going to go and have the remote alarm pad I do have thankfully I had two of them re-programmed. Also purchased a hardened steel column lock!! Listen to this too, I always keep my loaded 9mm in my glove compartment but that Friday I had taken my 9mm glock pistol back to the gun shop cuz I didn't feel the need for it but I think GOD knows I would have used it and perhaps killed someone and be sitting in jail right now instead of here @ work telling my fellow GN Owners about my horrible weekend from Hell..... Todd __________________ 1987 Buick Grand National..Stock Motor, Few tweeks hither and thither, THDP, Stainless Steel Pit-Bull Dual Exhaust, 42.5Ib Injectors, Hot-wired Red Pump, Red 93 Chip, Stock Turbo & Intercooler, GTA Rims, many more mods to come, bit by bit, piece by piece.

03-18-2002, 01:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
T-REX Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 17	You must be Irish cause you sure were lucky on St. Patricks Day. What happened to those jerks? __________________ '87 Turbo-T, Daily Driver, 140,000 orig. mi. Modifications include: transgo shift kit, 2.5" exhaust, test-pipe 364 days/yr, K&N cone filter, thrasher 92 oct chip, 160*ts, adj. wg, turbolink

03-18-2002, 02:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
firebird_1252 I'm the Best! Join Date: May 2001 Location: farmingville ny Posts: 12,651	my car dont have any heat eather your lucky man.. __________________ Rob 87 GN fully loaded.. learning to walk again 03 vw GTI- wicked tuning turbo back, forged 007 diverter.. revo stage 2 coming soon 04 SC/MCSS 14.89 gone "But the day may come when you've got something to lose, and just when you think you're done paying dues And you say to yourself, dear God what Have I done? And hope its not too late 'cause tomorrow may never come."

03-18-2002, 03:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
WickedTR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oak Park, MI Posts: 8	T-Rex, The Police are still looking for those weasels..I'll be sure to let everybody know when these bum's are caught, yeah and I'm working on my heat problem..I'm kinda glad I didn't get it fixed so those retarded jerks couldn't ride around in comfort.... Todd __________________ 1987 Buick Grand National..Stock Motor, Few tweeks hither and thither, THDP, Stainless Steel Pit-Bull Dual Exhaust, 42.5Ib Injectors, Hot-wired Red Pump, Red 93 Chip, Stock Turbo & Intercooler, GTA Rims, many more mods to come, bit by bit, piece by piece.

03-18-2002, 07:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,729	They ain't too bright if they sat there in your driveway with license plates in plain view and called a girl friend to boot.... glad someone has some luck __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

03-18-2002, 10:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
TWIN86GNS 2 GN's = No money!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Keswick, Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,215	That's got to be the wildest story I have ever heard!!!! Glad to hear that you got your car back and everything was still intact. Paul Beal pbeal@sympatico.ca __________________ Paul Beal pbeal@sympatico.ca First official Canadian member of the DSR..... That's just how we roll. 1986 GN # 1 11.38 @ 120.25 mph with 1.501 60' 1986 GN # 2 13.25 @ 102.95 mph with 2.086 60'

03-18-2002, 10:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
forzfed Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Winterpeg Posts: 5,538	Glad you got the car back! I sold my old T-Type to a guy at work. The T-Type was stolen and never seen since. We had a member of our Club(MGNA) have his GN stolen. It was recovered 3 months later on a reserve. Guess what they stole. The brake calipers, the 5 1/4" speaker in the door, and the heater blower motor!(I KNOW) You think the punks that tried to steal your car were stupid? Glad to hear it worked out for you! If it was me, I'd be hunting!

03-18-2002, 10:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
BooBoo231cu Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Warminster Pensylvania Posts: 777	Glad to hear you got it back. They must have had some balls! Thats nuts! That would have been cool if you could have shot up that dudes Impala SS though. Glad to hear it turned out OK. __________________ High Mile Rosewood Turbo T / 94' 1500 Blazer

03-19-2002, 10:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
WickedTR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oak Park, MI Posts: 8	Hey guys, I know even when I think and re-cant the events of that horrible day it seems sur-real or something that came straight outta of a movie....Hey fella's do any of you guys have a column lock called "STEADFAST"...Its a couple hundred bucks and the locksmith who replaced my ingition and re-keyed my doors and trunk said that is the best device against thief cuz he said its made of hardened steel and that the way its mounted it would really slow a thief down considerably.... If any of you guys have this let me know if its worth the investment or not? Get this I looked in my CD Changer last nite and the punk that took my car stole my CD's right, well he left one of his CD's in my changer and when I started the car the gas tank was damn empty...These thieves were bold and brazing w/o a doubt...I'm still pissed though!!!!! __________________ 1987 Buick Grand National..Stock Motor, Few tweeks hither and thither, THDP, Stainless Steel Pit-Bull Dual Exhaust, 42.5Ib Injectors, Hot-wired Red Pump, Red 93 Chip, Stock Turbo & Intercooler, GTA Rims, many more mods to come, bit by bit, piece by piece.

03-19-2002, 10:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,729	I have a sTeadfast collar on both of my Regals...it fits very snuggly and some don't like it but no one is going to take your car with it on...it would take a die grinder and quite some time to cut thru it... http://www.steadfastcorp.com/ __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

03-19-2002, 11:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
WickedTR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oak Park, MI Posts: 8	Steve, Thanks for the information....A die grinder?? Damn!! OK, I going to make an appointment to get one installed this weekend...Do they make them in chrome? Todd __________________ 1987 Buick Grand National..Stock Motor, Few tweeks hither and thither, THDP, Stainless Steel Pit-Bull Dual Exhaust, 42.5Ib Injectors, Hot-wired Red Pump, Red 93 Chip, Stock Turbo & Intercooler, GTA Rims, many more mods to come, bit by bit, piece by piece.

03-19-2002, 01:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
shaunchrisc Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 743	Sorry that had to happen, but you really got lucky. I think those steering collar locks are a great investment. Your car was already running, but most people know that it takes less than a minute to get into a Regal and fire it up with no theft deterants. Anytime my car is not locked in the garage with the Cavalier parked behind it, I have my collar lock on it. Stay away from those clubs because stock steering wheels are expensive to replace. Put on as many deterants that are possible without making you take an hour to start your own car. Although, someone can always tow it too. There is no stoping a professional theif, but your theives were ammetures to say the least. ------------------ 1987 GN 14" K&N, adj. wastegate, adj. FPR, XP Armstrong hotwired, 160-stat, Hooker 2.5" catback exaust, custom chip, shift kit, trans cooler, vdo boost/oil/temp guages, scanmaster II, GNX wanna-be rims, the rest is stock..except for all the stuff that doesn't last 15yrs. 1987 Cavalier Z24 daily driver. 3-chamber flowmaster and 135db worth of stereo. Shaun __________________ 1987 GN 14" K&N, Accel 36# injectors, Impala SS MAF w/translator+, adj. wastegate, adj. FPR, XP Armstrong hotwired, 160-stat, Hooker 2.5" catback exaust, Thrasher & Brutal6 chips, shift kit, trans cooler, vdo boost/oil/temp guages, Scanmaster v2.1, T-Link, Kirban's front/rear frame braces, Poly mount, Hotchkis lower control arms, heavy duty springs all around, GNX wanna-be rims, and the rest is stock as far as I can tell...or too meaningless to list. 2000 Grand Prix GT Daily driver Shaun

03-19-2002, 02:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
CDNGN Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,156	That was not luck, it was a miracle you had the car returned with minimal loss. Scary lesson. As stated above, you can disable the car, but nothing will stop it from being towed... If you pursue your attempt to sell it, do not show it without a least one person with you. Unless I had quite a bit of information about a person, and at least a couple of conversations that made me feel somewhat comfortable, I never had a potential buyer come to my house to look at a car. Most of the time, I met them at the local police station.... [This message has been edited by CDNGN (edited March 19, 2002).] __________________ MJ

03-19-2002, 02:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
WickedTR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oak Park, MI Posts: 8	Shaun, I couldn't agree with you more buddy, pro thiefs will always find away around security devices...But if you think about it people who design and make these thief security devices end up becoming crooks cuz they know how to by-pass almost any security system and/or device available?? I've spoken to several lock-smiths' who use to steal cars and break into homes for a living...How did they learn too?? Locksmithin' is a good start hey?? CDNGN, Thats a damn good idea to meet up with a potential buyer @ the police station, now that I had never even considered....Great suggestion, I will definitely use this one!! Todd __________________ 1987 Buick Grand National..Stock Motor, Few tweeks hither and thither, THDP, Stainless Steel Pit-Bull Dual Exhaust, 42.5Ib Injectors, Hot-wired Red Pump, Red 93 Chip, Stock Turbo & Intercooler, GTA Rims, many more mods to come, bit by bit, piece by piece.

03-19-2002, 02:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
T-REX Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 17	Another suggestion as a theft deterrent for all of you is to cut your door lock knobs. It seems to me that most petty thieves open up our doors by pulling back the drivers or passenger side window at the top-rear corner. They'll stick thier arm in or some grabbing object to pull up your door lock knob and then they're in for the stereo and other valuables. This is how they stole the stereo out of my '86 non-turbo Regal. After that happened I decided to cut my door lock knobs on that car and my '87 Turbo-T. Check your weather stripping along this corner to see if its torn, maybe someone already tried on your car, but wasn't successful. You all probably think you don't want to mess with the originality or make your knobs look like %&$, but I did a nice job. I purchased some aftermarket chrome knobs minus the bulb at the end at a local auto parts store. I had to cut the threaded metal stud that holds the knob and drill the hole deeper into the new knob to make the top of the new knob flush with the knob hole. It was kind of a pain-staking process, but it came out looking like it was stock and I feel better when I park my car on the street or in a big parking lot. I would suggest you guys practicing on some old car parts from a junkyard before putting that Dremmel tool to your prize possesion. Good luck! __________________ '87 Turbo-T, Daily Driver, 140,000 orig. mi. Modifications include: transgo shift kit, 2.5" exhaust, test-pipe 364 days/yr, K&N cone filter, thrasher 92 oct chip, 160ts, adj. wg, turbolink

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