Twin Turbos

Toadie's T-Type · 03-14-2002, 11:42 PM

I have a chance to get a set of Mitsubishi Turbos from a 91 Mitsubishi 3000 VR-4. Anyone out there know anything about Mitsubishi Turbos? Looking for info on reliability and performance aspects. Not sure what model the turbos are. Will post as soon as I find out.
ALSO........ If I do go with this setup. Any info on how to hook up 2 turbos on our cars?
I've read about some TR owners running Mits, and saying they were pretty good.
Your Opinions Please. Steve, ULYCYC, CDNGN, fast86, R K, BFH, ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks in advance.

The Radius Kid · 03-14-2002, 11:58 PM

The headers to do this are available from CAS[Charge Air Systems],I believe.I think Tony's a vendor on this board.You should be able to find a lot of info there.Post back if you have any more questions on this.It's a good idea,but the logistics is a nightmare in my opinion.

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Toadie's T-Type · 03-15-2002, 12:11 AM

I thought about that too.
The way I pictured a setup was 1 turbo on each side.
Looking in my engine bay on the drivers side. Where do you mount it at? There is really no room.
The guy that has the Mits figured that each turbo adds app. 49 Hp each to the engine's output. (on the 3.0 liter VR-4)
What does a stock Garrett Put out?
Seems to be beneficial to go with 2 turbos that collectively are bigger than our stockers..... But is probably cheaper to go with a single turbo upgrade like a TA-49 or TE-60. I will post back upon doing some research.
Thanks R K.

Ormand · 03-15-2002, 08:00 AM

Check Tony D's dual turbo set-up at Charge Air. The headers, brackets, etc., are about 2000 bucks, so you can go from there. It relocates the alternator, I think, to make room for the driver's side turbo. Unless you want to go really, really fast, or just like the look, a single turbo is more bang for the buck.

Steve Wood · 03-15-2002, 09:35 AM

twin turbos are neat, but probably are more a toy than practical when it comes to every day driving. Tony's kit would seem to be very fairly priced.

I am not sure which Mit turbos you are looking at but a number have used some models on the regals in the past. Conley used to use them before we had such a variety available.

If I were you, I would forget about it for at least a year until others have gone before. It is very easy to destroy an engine with a little too much pop...especially on a stock block.

ULYCYC · 03-15-2002, 10:05 AM

It would look great all chromed and scare everybody thinking you have a 7 sec car.
But back to reality. You can do just as good and a lot cheaper with a single turbo setup. The turbos is not the big expense it's the rest. Custom intercooler, Exhaust manifolds, custom intake, fuel management like DFI or Fast. Your up to Stage 2 money now

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Tony DeQuick · 03-15-2002, 10:57 PM

The TD04 turbos from the 3000GT are corks on a 3000GT 3.0L making 350+ HP. If Mits turbos are what you're after, 16gs is the way to go.

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Toadie's T-Type · 03-15-2002, 11:34 PM

Well.
I got responses.
As to whether I'll pursue a twin turbo setup on my TR......
Like you guys mentioned. Basically.... More "flash than fast"
If I do go twins..... I'll check on those 16GS mits.
The guy with the turbos said he'd let them both go for $300.

I wonder if my younger bro would be mad at me if I hooked them to his Simplicity Lawn Tractor???
Probably would be...... I guess I should put them on his 2000 Ford Ranger 3.0liter...
That motor is castrated.....

Anyway...
Thanks for the input Guys.

The Radius Kid · 03-16-2002, 01:34 AM

I would say if you've got some spare cash and the turbos are in good shape,pick them up.Just be careful,the logistics and packaging of a twin package on a G/N are daunting to say the least.But in future,if it becomes a viable option,you'll already have them.

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Give em' hell!

Steve Wood · 03-16-2002, 11:14 AM

I think the CAS will be the way to go. Lot's of testing and design work gone into them. But, I would leave it to the serious guys until we know what the limits are....

Me? I want one even tho I am not a serious guy...LOL

The Radius Kid · 03-16-2002, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Wood:
I think the CAS will be the way to go. Lot's of testing and design work gone into them. But, I would leave it to the serious guys until we know what the limits are....

Me? I want one even tho I am not a serious guy...LOL

Groan.

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Give em' hell!

Christian Dionne · 03-16-2002, 05:46 PM

I agree with Tony about the 16G. The 17G with a 8cm turbine housing comes on the SyTy's. It flows 550cfm, roughly 366-380 HP. Two of them might be too much for D5 convertered 3.8L to spool up. The 16g comes on the older DSMs, but I'm not quite sure of the HP potential. I want to use two 20g's (650 cfm) with 10 or 14cm turbine housings, but my front driveshaft is kinda in the way. HTH,

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Toadie's T-Type · 03-17-2002, 01:40 AM

Thanks to everybody who posted. Lots of options out there to chose from. 16G, 17G, 20G. G........ I could go on and on.
I first seen a twin turbo I believe in Kirban's Catalog. I was like. "That is sweet"
It's an idea I may pursue sometime soon.

Thanks again everybody... Feel free to keep the comments "Spooling" in on this issue.

MeanRex7 · 07-17-2002, 07:38 PM

This reminds me of the one time Jay Leno and Tim Allen had a burnout contest.
Tim had a silly Mustang (Saleen race car)
And Jay had a Red Twin Turbo Grand National Dragster (w/ drag slicks on back and pizza cutters up front)
The only reason Jay lost was because of his tires I think :-\

Tim got like 120ft or so, Jay go about 80ft or so.

Toadie's T-Type · 07-18-2002, 04:57 AM

I remember seeing that.
In fact. I downloaded that vid off the net onto my comp.
I agree. Look like a set of space savers (low pro) on the Stang while Jay had a lot of tire on the back of his.

03-14-2002, 11:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Toadie's T-Type Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bronson, MI USA Posts: 1,190	Twin Turbos I have a chance to get a set of Mitsubishi Turbos from a 91 Mitsubishi 3000 VR-4. Anyone out there know anything about Mitsubishi Turbos? Looking for info on reliability and performance aspects. Not sure what model the turbos are. Will post as soon as I find out. ALSO........ If I do go with this setup. Any info on how to hook up 2 turbos on our cars? I've read about some TR owners running Mits, and saying they were pretty good. Your Opinions Please. Steve, ULYCYC, CDNGN, fast86, R K, BFH, ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks in advance. __________________ 90% of all Ford's are still found on the road today. The other 10% made it home.

03-14-2002, 11:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Radius Kid Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada Posts: 9,047	The headers to do this are available from CAS[Charge Air Systems],I believe.I think Tony's a vendor on this board.You should be able to find a lot of info there.Post back if you have any more questions on this.It's a good idea,but the logistics is a nightmare in my opinion. ------------------ Give em' hell! __________________ Politics is the art of glad-handing,passionate bllsht and hidden agendas.

03-15-2002, 12:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
Toadie's T-Type Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bronson, MI USA Posts: 1,190	I thought about that too. The way I pictured a setup was 1 turbo on each side. Looking in my engine bay on the drivers side. Where do you mount it at? There is really no room. The guy that has the Mits figured that each turbo adds app. 49 Hp each to the engine's output. (on the 3.0 liter VR-4) What does a stock Garrett Put out? Seems to be beneficial to go with 2 turbos that collectively are bigger than our stockers..... But is probably cheaper to go with a single turbo upgrade like a TA-49 or TE-60. I will post back upon doing some research. Thanks R K. __________________ 90% of all Ford's are still found on the road today. The other 10% made it home.

03-15-2002, 08:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ormand Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,098	Check Tony D's dual turbo set-up at Charge Air. The headers, brackets, etc., are about 2000 bucks, so you can go from there. It relocates the alternator, I think, to make room for the driver's side turbo. Unless you want to go really, really fast, or just like the look, a single turbo is more bang for the buck. __________________ George W-

03-15-2002, 09:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,760	twin turbos are neat, but probably are more a toy than practical when it comes to every day driving. Tony's kit would seem to be very fairly priced. I am not sure which Mit turbos you are looking at but a number have used some models on the regals in the past. Conley used to use them before we had such a variety available. If I were you, I would forget about it for at least a year until others have gone before. It is very easy to destroy an engine with a little too much pop...especially on a stock block. __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

03-15-2002, 10:05 AM	#6 (permalink)
ULYCYC Fuhgeddaboudit Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 16,376	It would look great all chromed and scare everybody thinking you have a 7 sec car. But back to reality. You can do just as good and a lot cheaper with a single turbo setup. The turbos is not the big expense it's the rest. Custom intercooler, Exhaust manifolds, custom intake, fuel management like DFI or Fast. Your up to Stage 2 money now ------------------ ED BAKER 87-T-TYPE, PT54,MSD50's,Crane Billet Roller,JE forged20over,P&P Heads,Manley valves,Hemco 65mm& Acu65TB,V2 FM, P.I.9.5 -7disc,Jimmys Trans, new times soon. 93 PARK AVE"SUPERCHARGED" 67RS/SS350 CAMARO mailto:ULYCYC@TurboBuicks.comULYCYC@TurboBuicks.com</A> http://www.modernmusclecar.net __________________ ED BAKER 87-T, Maplight equipped rear view mirror.. 93 PARK AVE"SUPERCHARGED" BPG#1458 My Photo Page buickperformancegroup.com

03-15-2002, 10:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tony DeQuick Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Grayslake, IL 60030 Posts: 6	The TD04 turbos from the 3000GT are corks on a 3000GT 3.0L making 350+ HP. If Mits turbos are what you're after, 16gs is the way to go. ------------------ Tony DeQuick Charged Air Systems http://www.chargedair.com (847)223-0743 __________________ Tony DeQuick Charged Air Systems http://www.chargedair.com (847)223-0743

03-15-2002, 11:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Toadie's T-Type Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bronson, MI USA Posts: 1,190	Well. I got responses. As to whether I'll pursue a twin turbo setup on my TR...... Like you guys mentioned. Basically.... More "flash than fast" If I do go twins..... I'll check on those 16GS mits. The guy with the turbos said he'd let them both go for $300. I wonder if my younger bro would be mad at me if I hooked them to his Simplicity Lawn Tractor??? Probably would be...... I guess I should put them on his 2000 Ford Ranger 3.0liter... That motor is castrated..... Anyway... Thanks for the input Guys. __________________ 90% of all Ford's are still found on the road today. The other 10% made it home.

03-16-2002, 01:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
The Radius Kid Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada Posts: 9,047	I would say if you've got some spare cash and the turbos are in good shape,pick them up.Just be careful,the logistics and packaging of a twin package on a G/N are daunting to say the least.But in future,if it becomes a viable option,you'll already have them. ------------------ Give em' hell! __________________ Politics is the art of glad-handing,passionate bllsht and hidden agendas.

03-16-2002, 11:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,760	I think the CAS will be the way to go. Lot's of testing and design work gone into them. But, I would leave it to the serious guys until we know what the limits are.... Me? I want one even tho I am not a serious guy...LOL __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

03-16-2002, 05:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Christian Dionne Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Orlando, FL, USA Posts: 81	I agree with Tony about the 16G. The 17G with a 8cm turbine housing comes on the SyTy's. It flows 550cfm, roughly 366-380 HP. Two of them might be too much for D5 convertered 3.8L to spool up. The 16g comes on the older DSMs, but I'm not quite sure of the HP potential. I want to use two 20g's (650 cfm) with 10 or 14cm turbine housings, but my front driveshaft is kinda in the way. HTH, ------------------ [This message has been edited by Christian Dionne (edited March 16, 2002).] __________________ Christian Dionne Orlando, FL Sy #2730...3050 pounds and still AWD 92 Red/Grey Ty...2750 pounds and Drag Radial ready

03-17-2002, 01:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Toadie's T-Type Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bronson, MI USA Posts: 1,190	Thanks to everybody who posted. Lots of options out there to chose from. 16G, 17G, 20G. G........ I could go on and on. I first seen a twin turbo I believe in Kirban's Catalog. I was like. "That is sweet" It's an idea I may pursue sometime soon. Thanks again everybody... Feel free to keep the comments "Spooling" in on this issue. __________________ 90% of all Ford's are still found on the road today. The other 10% made it home.

07-17-2002, 07:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
MeanRex7 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa, USA Posts: 27	This reminds me of the one time Jay Leno and Tim Allen had a burnout contest. Tim had a silly Mustang (Saleen race car) And Jay had a Red Twin Turbo Grand National Dragster (w/ drag slicks on back and pizza cutters up front) The only reason Jay lost was because of his tires I think :-\ Tim got like 120ft or so, Jay go about 80ft or so.

07-18-2002, 04:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
Toadie's T-Type Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bronson, MI USA Posts: 1,190	I remember seeing that. In fact. I downloaded that vid off the net onto my comp. I agree. Look like a set of space savers (low pro) on the Stang while Jay had a lot of tire on the back of his. __________________ 90% of all Ford's are still found on the road today. The other 10% made it home.

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