Tim Stockwell 10 sec. Recipe?!?!?!

[6pack]

BTW, I know Orlando and he has had roller rockers on his car for a long time.The rockers that wore out and one broke on his car were Kenne-Bell roller rockers.He has not run low 10's with stock rockers.I don't think stock rockers would hold up with the 125lb. on the seat over 300# open pressures that he runs.

[Highpsi231]

I just signed on to this BB, and it seems like a good one. Just to set the record straight, I have seen Tim run what he said he ran, and I was videotaping the teardown "party" that he had at Red's. He pushed it until it blew the gaskets almost completely out of it on both sides. That was his intentions, to see just how far the stock combo would go. The motor and trans was never unbolted before this teardown. There was no cheating or lying going on. He raced the car a LOT, and tuned it a LOT, and was not afraid to push it PAST the limits. Custom chips from Red helped I'm sure, because we used his last chip in my buddies stock motor & trans car, and it went low 11's with an 18" wheelie on it's 4th pass. He was also not afraid to push it, launching at over 23# on the emergency brake. Tim did get out of the Buick scene due to all of the flack he received, and I feel sick that other fellow Buick enthusiasts treated him the way they did.

I somewhat followed in Tim's train of thought, that high boost is just a slightly less efficient version of big heads, cam, etc. I ran a best so far of 10.71 @ 124mph with a 1.40 60ft. with a non-lockup, stock heads and valves (ported by myself), stock intake, stk headers, and 206 hyd, thru dual 2-1/2 exhaust. The car has 10.50's @ 130+ in it, and it fly's due to the 28-30 psi of boost, and no fear on the line, and I feel conservative compared to others. I run 28* of timing, and the fuel curve is still off. It can be done, and has been done. Please don't make fun of others for what you are not willing to do, or what you don't understand or believe. You surprise me Joe after we talked at Bristol last year, and you still don't believe it.

There are some tricks to the suspension that we (HRpartsNstuff) are going to share when our new rear control arms are available, that produced Tim's and my own LOW 60ft. times. The nice cool fall weather here in Ohio sure helps, but there is no real majic or voodoo going on. Just making a LOT of runs, LOTS of tuning & tweaking, trying new ideas & combo's, and NO FEAR of having to wrench on it several times a year. Notice that for years, the heads-up classes at the Nat's are dominated by people from Ohio. This approach is not for all, and not really recommended, but it does produce results. If someone has a stock motor/trans car, and extra cash, Tim might just go and prove it all over again, but there will still be a skeptic out there somewhere. Rumor has it that he is getting back into it again, and I hope so because we all can learn from what he has done.

------------------
Paul Ferry GSCA #5538
'87 GN 10.71@124 1.40 60ft.
Highpsi231@aol.com www.HRpartsNstuff.com

[This message has been edited by Highpsi231 (edited October 05, 2000).]

[U1ARUNIT]

Rumors are correct. Tim did get another car and he will be back with a very similar combo to do it all over again for the naysayers. Go Tim!!

------------------
Mark Herrly
U1arunit@aol.com
You wanna run it..??
Mark's GN Page
------------------

[JoeHorvith]

Paul I believe what you did... Come on stockwell said he was using a stock d5 converter.... Also I feel with stock heads no work done to them you can maintain that kind of boost and make hp up there... Just like any turbo after soo much boost it will not run any faster, you know its time to upgrade to something bigger to get a lil more et or mph.... And know one drove time out of buicks last time we heard he was building a stage 2 block and got out of it because of the expense.... Paul I respect you and love your products keep up the good work and will let you know how those new motor mounts we bought from you at Bristol work..
Joe Horvith......Noslo6

[Orlando_87GN]

Paul,

That is some great info. You didn't specify what turbo you were running with those numbers.

And to run that much boost, I assume you use the highest octane fuel you can find right?

What about a wastegate actuator? Surely you don't just use a heavy duty actuator and call it good... What do you use for boost control? How mich does your car weigh?

------------------
Email Address: mailto:mike@jigawatt.commike@jigawatt.com</A>

My Goodies:
PTE-51, MSD 50's, CAS V4, T/H SS D/P. 12.20@113.75 so far.

[qwikt]

Hello all...........I guess it is time for me to chime in. First off, I would like to say to those non-believers including Joe (that has always had a problem with this) that I did go to extreme measures to prove this cars capabilities. As we all remember, the car was published in the GSX-TRA numerous times and was even run at Norwalk with at least 15 witnesses and taken directly to Red Armstrong's house and torn down, and video recorded by Paul with all of the witnesses there. You have to remember that I have been racing for many years, this car was not a daily driver and I wasn't afraid to push it to see just how far it would go. True, Red being so close definatley played a big part in this. He made many diferent chips and helped a great deal in this "experiment". There was no "voodoo" or anything here, just a lot of tuning and small details that many overlook. For example, how many of you index your spark plugs? How many of you adjust your brakes for less drag? How many of you loosly adjust your wheel bearings? How many of you loosly adjust your front control arms? How many of you use thin grease on your front wheel bearings? How many of you run 60 psi in your front tires? How many of you get your front end aligned for drag racing purposes so the front tires don't scuff under acceleration? The list goes on...........it is nothing special, just what racers have done for years. I am a person that "sweats the deatails", so to speak and I would do anything no matter how small if it made sense and could possibly help. I did run as fast as 11.62 with a stock turbo and intercooler, and I did go as fast as 10.76 with a never opened up motor or transmission, and a stock D-5 converter............there were too many people there that saw it, and know me, to call liars. I did get out of the Buick scene because so many guys were so immature and jealous that they didn't do this too, but I am back. During this 5 year span my wife and I have built a beautiful new home, and are expecting our first child in March........there is more to life than cars. I currently have 3 TR's and am still looking for the "right" one to do my old combo with. Another note, when I tore my white car down, all of my bolt on parts went on my fathers 86K mile GN and it went as fast as 11.12 before he sold it. Another local guy nere (Bob Bashoor) followed my recipe to the tee, except for no rear suspension mods and went 11.03 with a 1.56 60 ft.........take his e.t and my suspension and 1.44 60 ft. and what do you have? My guess would be in the 10.80's all day long. This isn't brain surgery here, just simple facts, patience, and not being afraid to push the envelope.......................Tim Stockwell "QWIK-T"

[teking]

Glad to see you coming back Tim!

&gt;I ran a best so far of 10.71 @ 124mph with a 1.40 60ft. with a non-lockup, stock heads and valves (ported by myself), stock intake, stk headers, and 206 hyd, thru dual 2-1/2 exhaust. The car has 10.50's @ 130+ in it,
and it fly's due to the 28-30 psi of boost, and no fear on the line, and I feel conservative compared to others. I run 28* of timing, and the fuel curve is still off. It can be done, and has been done.

I've seen ported iron heads cars run 130's mph. Yours has gone 124 mph at 28-30 psi boost and with 28 deg timing. Can you explain what will be done next to take it from there, from 124 mph to the 130's mph?

Todd

[qwikt]

I firmly believe that if the white car would have had ported heads and a better cam it would have picked up 5-6 mph and would have gone 128-130.................the greater volume of air would do it. It's not just the boost pressure, it's the volume and that is greatly limited with unported heads.

[TTA89]

Wow 28 Degrees of Timing with 30psi? Am I reading that right? heheh Thats just Cool!!

Way to Go Tim and Welcome to the Board!!



------------------
Mike Schoenfeld
1989 Turbo Trans-Am
11.95@113.16 Pump Gas
11.42@119.60 Race Gas
mailto:TTA89@Turbobuicks.comTTA89@Turbobuicks.com</A>

[6pack]

I remember Crisafulli's gold T going 128 with a TA61,ported irons,210-205,2800 12".He was still running drag radials and getting hgh 1.6 60ft's.E.T.'s in the 10.70's.My hats off to anybody that makes it in the 10's with any 12" convertor.I ran 10.80 @124 with a stock cam, had a 9"and home ported irons though. switched to a 210-205 and lost all kinds of of bottom end.

[JoeHorvith]

Tim welcome aboard.... Yes I had a hard to swallow the short times....But guys like Paul Ferry was there I guess its good enough for me too... Like I said welcome aboard, I like your method of paying attention to the lil stuff because it really adds up in the end...Eating humble pie here for lunch...
Joe Horvith......Noslo6

[qwikt]

Thanks Joe, I do appreciate that....:-)

Tim ,
Its nice to hear from the man himself. The details you just gave on your post showed that you just didnt turn up the boost,and spent time on the things that most dont.This is info that not a lot of people know.
The article on the GNTTYPE website doesnt mention these extra steps.

Thanks for clearing the air up for many of us.

Louie


------------------
87 Grand National
Champion ported intake, alum. heads,210/205 w- T&D 1.65's,PTE 54,THDP CAS V2, PMAC, 9.5PI LU,Stage Right TB

95 Ford Lightning
one rusty car trailer

[This message has been edited by Screwie Louie (edited October 06, 2000).]

[3timesT]

Hi, Tim

This thread has been hashed out on turbobuick.com in the past and I never doubted the 10 sec numbers you posted. The problem I had then and still do now is your earlier perfomance, i.e. back on 5/26/95 in your 10 sec budget build-up on the TR web site.

How were you able to run 13.014 at 105.11 MPH with 16 psi of boost, underdrive pulley, fuel enhancer and no air filter in the stock canister on a 80 degree day through the stock catalytic converter?

I also have a problem with the disparity between the 13.845 at 96.48 MPH run and the 13.280 at 103.13 MPH one. They were both run with the same modifications and under similar conditions if I interpret your article correctly.

Just curious?

------------------
The Turbo Regal,
My love/hate relationship since 1988.

[V6RACER]

Tim, glad to finally hear you speak up. I know for a fact that when you do something unbelievable like you did, people have hard feelings because they didn't think of it first. I for one have the same thoughts on my personal car. I don't run anything outrageous but I do run fast for what I have. Anything that can make a car faster is what we want to hear, not "There isn't any way that you can do that!" Hope to see you next year at the Nats..

------------------
Jason White
Scaring the heck out of the Tens!! mailto:V6RACER@turbobuicks.comV6RACER@turbobuicks.com</A>