super charger ?

toyick · 12-21-2004, 01:14 PM

ok, so i did all that work on the tubro 3.8 set up for my truck, and i dont feel like dealing with the turbo stuff, because i dont have enough knowledge of it.
Maybe some one would like to come to vegas for a couple weekends

...anyways
i have a line on a supercharged 3.8 i am pretty much guessing that this is out of a front wheel drive car. Is there a way to mount this into a rear wheel drive?
does the bell housing and bolt pattern match up for like the th350 bolt patterns?

The problem i have with the turbo 3.8 is that i dont have much room on the passenger side for piping for turbo stuff.....
Would i have the same issues with a super charged engine?
there are to many options...

O² Cool · 12-21-2004, 04:48 PM

If you are willing to go thru all the work to change the factory motor in your truck to a buick 3.8, i don't see why you would do half the work then wimp out, and put the supercahrged 3.8 in instead. Anyways i am not overlly familiar with the bellhousing layout on this unit to put on a rwd tranny, but i know that there is going to be extensive wireing work to do either of these two mods. a 3.8 turbo will drop into any vehicle that had the "V" style motor width wise, the only thing is the turbo, which with a little time and energy can be relocated to wherever you need!

If you are going to go thru all this effort to do this, i would go all the way and do the turbo, no way you look at it, will it be easy, just take a littl time and a lot of deap thaught!

Good luck and don't chicken out, it will be worth it all in the end.

O² Cool

toyick · 12-21-2004, 05:07 PM

well thanks for the kick in the ass, i know both are equally hard, i just haven't had much luck with this damn 3.8 and turbo set up, so i dont know if i should stay old school with the turbo/carb set up..or go electronic.
I dont know anything about the turbo ECM stuff which some people have explained to me...but all goes strait over my head!
i have all the stuff do this turbo setup, hell truck is already running with the engine in it, so i just need to get the piping run, and the carb situation set up.

I like the idea of the super charger but i also like the oldshool set up as well, i just dont know enough, i dont mind cutting fender wells and crap to fit the turbo stuff, i just want it to be decently reliable. I am not looking for a million horse power rig. I simply want somthing thats different in my toyota 4x4 that no one else has and that is still functionable, i have done all the other work already for the swap it self....just need that extra push to get it all done.....I know thease 3.8s are reliable back in the regal/Gn days..i aint looking for 200K motor....just somthing that is relibale enough to take out to the trail.
anyways maybe i will take pictures of everything i have...and you guys can help my put the puzzel peices together...

Grumpy · 12-21-2004, 06:38 PM

wellll lookin at your name I would guess this is goin in a Toyota ..It has been done before .. prob should go in the Buick V6 Turbo Hybrid Cars forum ...

Recklessrob · 12-21-2004, 07:53 PM

Your Toyota project is very doable. I have a 3.8 in a Mazda P/U
that I drive everyday. I'm also thinking about turbocharging it
as well. A buddy of mine did a Toyota about 17 years ago. He
used an adaptor plate and kept the Toyota manual tranny.
You have to use a special clutch disk for that though. It has
a Toyota center section with a GM outer. I have a new disk for this
purpose kicking around somewhere. Take your time, and it'll
work just fine.

BTW Dan, I'm glad to see you're wrenchin' the TTA again.

gnx7 · 12-21-2004, 08:10 PM

Toyick-

You have an early Buick carb'd turbo Toyota 4x4 right? There is your problem right there. Early carb'd turbo Buick engines were POS.

The FWD supercharged 3.8's won't bolt up to a RWD transmission.

If you want to do it right put an '86-87 Turbo motor in there.... your truck will haul *ss. There would be no comparison to even an modded supercharged 3.8 as even the stock intercooled turbo engine will smack it on the back of the head.

There was a guy in CO that was selling his '87 Buick GN turbo'd '84 Toyota on eBay. Seemed to work in his truck as far as downpipe routing...

He may have had his radiator in the bed though.

I have a complete zero mile GN engine with everything included. Im in San Francisco. I shipped one to NB and it was about $220. I'm sure it would be cheaper to Las Vegas.. Just a thought.

-GNX7

granitestategn · 12-21-2004, 10:29 PM

Like the others have said, I think swapping a FWD engine to a RWD car/truck is no easy feat. I think the other problem is that the 3800 Supercharged engines have an ECM that requires some fudging unless you transplant everything. I was looking at a 3800 Supercharged engine transplant into Fiero and there are some things you have to do to fake out the ECM so it will function correctly. The other issue is the availalbility of chips and such. Plenty of good chip burners out there for the 3.8 Turbo, not as many (and more expensive) for 3800 Series I or Series II ECM's. I think those are OBD (I or II?) ECM's which complicates things. I would think it would be easier to go with a 3.8 Turbo set up. As mentioned before, you would be better off with an 86-87 3.8 engine over the carbed 3.8, if $$$$$ permit.

b4black · 12-21-2004, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnx7

You have an early Buick carb'd turbo Toyota 4x4 right? There is your problem right there. Early carb'd turbo Buick engines were POS.

Bite me. Same basic f'n long block as the SFI motor. If you have any sense, you can tune them and get them to perform. Yes, they start off slower, but knocking off seconds is very doable, with minimal bolt-ons. Not many motors can claim that.

Just because they are slower to start than the 86/87, doesn't make them a POS. The only peices of sh!t, IMO, are the critics that never owned one....

Have a nice day

toyick · 12-22-2004, 02:32 AM

hey how much for the engine?

and gotta love b4black...
he has done all the help over in the other room with my stupid newb questions....i wish i could get him to vegas for a couple weekends to get this sucker tuned up...

Oh well...there are to many options, i dont want the 3800 supercharged engine...i would love to stick with my oldschool engine.

Its different, and plus i am nott looking for millions amount of torque, i just want something that will get me going on the highway..and its got enough low end torgue to turn my 35in tires....
thanks everyone for your input!!!

NOCOOLER · 12-22-2004, 07:14 AM

Just to set the record straight - the 3800 series II will bolt to a RWD trans. The 96 and newer F-bodies had the series II in them and they are the same engine as the FWD conterparts.

L67Swap for more info.

Jeremy

granitestategn · 12-22-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NOCOOLER
Just to set the record straight - the 3800 series II will bolt to a RWD trans. The 96 and newer F-bodies had the series II in them and they are the same engine as the FWD conterparts.

L67Swap for more info.

Jeremy

Thanks for clearing that up, Jeremy. I stand corrected. Didn't mean to spread misinformation.

NOCOOLER · 12-22-2004, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by granitestategn
Thanks for clearing that up, Jeremy. I stand corrected. Didn't mean to spread misinformation.

No problem man........

turbofish38 · 12-22-2004, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NOCOOLER
Just to set the record straight - the 3800 series II will bolt to a RWD trans. The 96 and newer F-bodies had the series II in them and they are the same engine as the FWD conterparts.

L67Swap for more info.

Jeremy

Ditto: The 3800SC has the small composite bolt pattern bell housing so any trans that will bolt onto the back of a 2.8/3.1/3.4 Camaro or S-10 60 degree V-6 will bolt up.

Also the 3800SC was available in series 1 OBD1,series 2 OBD1 and series 2 OBD2 configurations

Let me throw another possible engine suggestion at you: How about the L36 NA 3800 out of a 95-02 Camaro. Rated at 200HP and the T-5 5 speed trans was optional. Sounds like a combo for an everyday driver.

NOCOOLER · 12-22-2004, 11:50 AM

I say use the carb'd turbo setup - as you already have it. Unless the exhaust won't clear.

If the engine you have a line on is the series 1 don't waste your time.

The series II is great but it is also OBDII - meaning wiring is going to be a pita.

Trans options would be the 700r4, 4l60, and T-5.

It always comes to money, time, and energy.

Jeremy

toyick · 12-22-2004, 11:58 AM

thank you so much....i can have the line on this thing, as well as either of those trannys, since my uncle is a tranny shop owner.

i dont mind the time...in all honesty either way i can have either or...i dont know what engine for sure that the 3800 series is...i am going to try to find out today. i like the idea of the super charger. I just have new clue what i want i guess.. I all honesty somthing with decent miliage...left some what stock,as of coming out of the car...no mods...stock boost.... over all a reliable engine.
if that is possible out of the 3800 then sweet. If thats hard to get out of the Oldschool carbed turbo then ok, i know down the road heat, and room for the turbo could be a big issue...

12-21-2004, 01:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
toyick Lurker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sin city Posts: 35	super charger ? ok, so i did all that work on the tubro 3.8 set up for my truck, and i dont feel like dealing with the turbo stuff, because i dont have enough knowledge of it. Maybe some one would like to come to vegas for a couple weekends ...anyways i have a line on a supercharged 3.8 i am pretty much guessing that this is out of a front wheel drive car. Is there a way to mount this into a rear wheel drive? does the bell housing and bolt pattern match up for like the th350 bolt patterns? The problem i have with the turbo 3.8 is that i dont have much room on the passenger side for piping for turbo stuff..... Would i have the same issues with a super charged engine? there are to many options... __________________ 1/2 toy + 1/2 buick = toyick.....a.k.a big engine in a little truck!

12-21-2004, 05:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
toyick Lurker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sin city Posts: 35	well thanks for the kick in the ass, i know both are equally hard, i just haven't had much luck with this damn 3.8 and turbo set up, so i dont know if i should stay old school with the turbo/carb set up..or go electronic. I dont know anything about the turbo ECM stuff which some people have explained to me...but all goes strait over my head! i have all the stuff do this turbo setup, hell truck is already running with the engine in it, so i just need to get the piping run, and the carb situation set up. I like the idea of the super charger but i also like the oldshool set up as well, i just dont know enough, i dont mind cutting fender wells and crap to fit the turbo stuff, i just want it to be decently reliable. I am not looking for a million horse power rig. I simply want somthing thats different in my toyota 4x4 that no one else has and that is still functionable, i have done all the other work already for the swap it self....just need that extra push to get it all done.....I know thease 3.8s are reliable back in the regal/Gn days..i aint looking for 200K motor....just somthing that is relibale enough to take out to the trail. anyways maybe i will take pictures of everything i have...and you guys can help my put the puzzel peices together... __________________ 1/2 toy + 1/2 buick = toyick.....a.k.a big engine in a little truck! Last edited by toyick : 12-21-2004 at 05:11 PM.

12-21-2004, 06:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Grumpy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Andover, Ma Posts: 10,960	wellll lookin at your name I would guess this is goin in a Toyota ..It has been done before .. prob should go in the Buick V6 Turbo Hybrid Cars forum ... __________________ Dan dont run your mouth if you cant run your car 86/87 GN and 89 TTA .. tons of parts !! Time to get out! Stuff has to go !!! Otherwise I am cutting it up and throwing it away email ttastage2@yahoo.com

12-21-2004, 07:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Recklessrob Booted from the 2nd Floor Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Derry,NH Posts: 177	Your Toyota project is very doable. I have a 3.8 in a Mazda P/U that I drive everyday. I'm also thinking about turbocharging it as well. A buddy of mine did a Toyota about 17 years ago. He used an adaptor plate and kept the Toyota manual tranny. You have to use a special clutch disk for that though. It has a Toyota center section with a GM outer. I have a new disk for this purpose kicking around somewhere. Take your time, and it'll work just fine. BTW Dan, I'm glad to see you're wrenchin' the TTA again. __________________ Rob "Live Free or Die !" Independent Amsoil Dealer

12-21-2004, 10:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
granitestategn Occasional participant. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: southern NH Posts: 150	3.8 Supercharged Like the others have said, I think swapping a FWD engine to a RWD car/truck is no easy feat. I think the other problem is that the 3800 Supercharged engines have an ECM that requires some fudging unless you transplant everything. I was looking at a 3800 Supercharged engine transplant into Fiero and there are some things you have to do to fake out the ECM so it will function correctly. The other issue is the availalbility of chips and such. Plenty of good chip burners out there for the 3.8 Turbo, not as many (and more expensive) for 3800 Series I or Series II ECM's. I think those are OBD (I or II?) ECM's which complicates things. I would think it would be easier to go with a 3.8 Turbo set up. As mentioned before, you would be better off with an 86-87 3.8 engine over the carbed 3.8, if $$$$$ permit. __________________ Gregg Lanternier 87 GN, original owner, 97K, stock turbo & intercooler, Walbro 340 w/ hotwire, Adj. FPR & wastegate, PP, 60 PPH inj., Turbotweak 93 chip, THDP, Hooker cat-back, K&N cone, Biondo LL, CC 980's, the usual bits & pieces 12.98 @ 104, 1.9 60' "Theory and practice are the same, in theory.....but not in practice."

12-21-2004, 04:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
O² Cool Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 152	If you are willing to go thru all the work to change the factory motor in your truck to a buick 3.8, i don't see why you would do half the work then wimp out, and put the supercahrged 3.8 in instead. Anyways i am not overlly familiar with the bellhousing layout on this unit to put on a rwd tranny, but i know that there is going to be extensive wireing work to do either of these two mods. a 3.8 turbo will drop into any vehicle that had the "V" style motor width wise, the only thing is the turbo, which with a little time and energy can be relocated to wherever you need! If you are going to go thru all this effort to do this, i would go all the way and do the turbo, no way you look at it, will it be easy, just take a littl time and a lot of deap thaught! Good luck and don't chicken out, it will be worth it all in the end. O² Cool

12-21-2004, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
gnx7 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 918	Toyick- You have an early Buick carb'd turbo Toyota 4x4 right? There is your problem right there. Early carb'd turbo Buick engines were POS. The FWD supercharged 3.8's won't bolt up to a RWD transmission. If you want to do it right put an '86-87 Turbo motor in there.... your truck will haul *ss. There would be no comparison to even an modded supercharged 3.8 as even the stock intercooled turbo engine will smack it on the back of the head. There was a guy in CO that was selling his '87 Buick GN turbo'd '84 Toyota on eBay. Seemed to work in his truck as far as downpipe routing... He may have had his radiator in the bed though. I have a complete zero mile GN engine with everything included. Im in San Francisco. I shipped one to NB and it was about $220. I'm sure it would be cheaper to Las Vegas.. Just a thought. -GNX7

12-22-2004, 02:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
toyick Lurker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sin city Posts: 35	hey how much for the engine? and gotta love b4black... he has done all the help over in the other room with my stupid newb questions....i wish i could get him to vegas for a couple weekends to get this sucker tuned up... Oh well...there are to many options, i dont want the 3800 supercharged engine...i would love to stick with my oldschool engine. Its different, and plus i am nott looking for millions amount of torque, i just want something that will get me going on the highway..and its got enough low end torgue to turn my 35in tires.... thanks everyone for your input!!! __________________ 1/2 toy + 1/2 buick = toyick.....a.k.a big engine in a little truck!

12-22-2004, 07:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
NOCOOLER Growing my Mullet! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. Louis MI Posts: 2,508	Just to set the record straight - the 3800 series II will bolt to a RWD trans. The 96 and newer F-bodies had the series II in them and they are the same engine as the FWD conterparts. L67Swap for more info. Jeremy __________________ - Jeremy 86 T-type - sold......probably was the quickest/fastest peg-leg car. Y2K Pontiac Firebird Formula M6 - Headers/ORY/Flowmaster Cat Back - K/N filter 13.2@108 w/1.9 60' on street tires 03 GMC Sierra RCSB 4x4 5.3 CAI - Spal Controlled LS1 EFANS - GMPP Exhaust. Exhaust Clip

12-22-2004, 11:50 AM	#14 (permalink)
NOCOOLER Growing my Mullet! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. Louis MI Posts: 2,508	I say use the carb'd turbo setup - as you already have it. Unless the exhaust won't clear. If the engine you have a line on is the series 1 don't waste your time. The series II is great but it is also OBDII - meaning wiring is going to be a pita. Trans options would be the 700r4, 4l60, and T-5. It always comes to money, time, and energy. Jeremy __________________ - Jeremy 86 T-type - sold......probably was the quickest/fastest peg-leg car. Y2K Pontiac Firebird Formula M6 - Headers/ORY/Flowmaster Cat Back - K/N filter 13.2@108 w/1.9 60' on street tires 03 GMC Sierra RCSB 4x4 5.3 CAI - Spal Controlled LS1 EFANS - GMPP Exhaust. Exhaust Clip

12-22-2004, 11:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
toyick Lurker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sin city Posts: 35	thank you so much....i can have the line on this thing, as well as either of those trannys, since my uncle is a tranny shop owner. i dont mind the time...in all honesty either way i can have either or...i dont know what engine for sure that the 3800 series is...i am going to try to find out today. i like the idea of the super charger. I just have new clue what i want i guess.. I all honesty somthing with decent miliage...left some what stock,as of coming out of the car...no mods...stock boost.... over all a reliable engine. if that is possible out of the 3800 then sweet. If thats hard to get out of the Oldschool carbed turbo then ok, i know down the road heat, and room for the turbo could be a big issue... __________________ 1/2 toy + 1/2 buick = toyick.....a.k.a big engine in a little truck! Last edited by toyick : 12-22-2004 at 12:02 PM.

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