7.98 second super stock GN

Don Palumbo · 06-18-2003, 06:34 PM

Did anyone see this weeks National Dragster? There is a ad in there (page 36)about a legal SS/DX, 87 Grand National making a 7.98 pass at 167.44. Making it the first seven second super stock car in the world... The car also holds the MPH record at 171.31. Thats flying for anything but a LEGAL super stocker!!! Anyone have any info on this car?? Owned by John Gallina, but I can't find anything about the car...

Steve Wood · 06-18-2003, 06:41 PM

Sure, John and Marka have been tearing them up for a long time. Duttweiller used to have a lot of input with their cars and may still have. They were members of the mailing list and probably still are.

Here is their site.

http://www.fastbuicks.com/

Scottie-GNZ · 06-18-2003, 09:02 PM

Did you notice it is 207ci?

Dave Wicks from Orlando had his SS/DX car at Reynolds last Nov and ran it for the first time in a couple of years. Think it went 8.60 after breaking a rocker at the 1/8-mile. Dave's setup is a 215ci TT.

firebird_1252 · 06-18-2003, 09:48 PM

what i dont get tho is that in stock your not aloud to change the stroke or bore of your motor and gotta run the factory amount of cubes. i'm dying to see this car in etown tho for a nhra national event

TTA89 · 06-18-2003, 10:37 PM

I never understood the classes of racing either.

Nothing is stock about a 7 second Buick expect maybe the emblems on the car.

firebird_1252 · 06-18-2003, 10:41 PM

the car must be stock appering. and SHOULd have the stock bore stroke but your aloud to use all upgraded parts for stock.

ie. you go stock in a 85 z28. should be stock bore, stroke and the stock carb. your aloud change gears but not trannys eather. (i THINK.) i looked in to making my gn a car for stock but its too much.

c&cgn · 06-19-2003, 01:55 AM

I can't tell you anything about the rules for the classes but their class is know as "experimental". Believe me, regardless of the name of the class the car does not look stock in any way shape or form. If I remember correctly John told me last year that the only thing left on the car that is actually from the stock GN is the windsheild. yup

It is a Duttweiler built stage II twin turbo motor. Kenny still does pretty much all of the tuning, even by phone (John has his # programmed in his cell phone :p )

That run was at my home track in Mission BC. I skipped out of work early but I missed the pass by about 5 minutes. I spent most of the rest of the day with John and the guys though.

[ June 19, 2003, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: c&cgn ]

GNCOL · 06-19-2003, 11:04 AM

Hi Don,

I saw the title of your post and I thought you would be talking about your car. wink

Say 'hi' to Irela.

[ June 19, 2003, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: GNCOL ]

Don Palumbo · 06-19-2003, 09:40 PM

Hey Jim, I can't go 7.98 cause I won't give up the A/C LOL.. Irela says HI... powersix

Don Palumbo · 06-19-2003, 09:43 PM

Thanks Steve, Thats a pretty cool website John has. powersix

ILBCNU6 · 06-20-2003, 09:44 AM

Tell me where you can buy a Pontiac GAm with a 500 cu in. engine stock or monte Carlo with the same cube engine! Point made is factoring to run in that class? Buddy Engersoll ran low low 7's and 200 mph in his car years ago! His was a small Indy Block with rollerized cam bearings and all the good stuff from Buick and they (Buick Eng.) helped him make it run right! Running a small cube Buick V6 makes it an even race running against a 500 cube V8?!!! Kinda like a Mustang running a Turbo that they never came with stock against a TR! Gene

Steve Wood · 06-20-2003, 10:32 AM

He is running SS/D X

It has nothing to do with stock. Experimental

Anyone remember the '60s and the Experimental classes? Nah, did not think so. frown

[ June 20, 2003, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Steve Wood ]

firebird_1252 · 06-20-2003, 10:35 AM

Quote:

ILBCNU6:
Tell me where you can buy a Pontiac GAm with a 500 cu in. engine stock or monte Carlo with the same cube engine! Point made is factoring to run in that class? Buddy Engersoll ran low low 7's and 200 mph in his car years ago! His was a small Indy Block with rollerized cam bearings and all the good stuff from Buick and they (Buick Eng.) helped him make it run right! Running a small cube Buick V6 makes it an even race running against a 500 cube V8?!!! Kinda like a Mustang running a Turbo that they never came with stock against a TR! Gene

the NHRA rules for superstock is that you need to run stock bore and stroke....

Scottie-GNZ · 06-20-2003, 12:13 PM

Quote:

the NHRA rules for superstock is that you need to run stock bore and stroke....

Don't know about the rest of the SS classes, but from speaking with Dave Wicks, SS/DX is based on weight and displacement and if memory serves me right, I recall 16lbs/ci. John's car with a 207ci engine is a little lighter than Dave's running a 215ci. One other amazing thing is that the turbos are limited in size and real tiny! I believe Dave says he twists his up to 8800!

NOSjohnWE4 · 06-20-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Anyone remember the '60s and the Experimental classes? Nah, did not think so.

nah Steve...but i DO remember reading about it. wink

06-18-2003, 06:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Don Palumbo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Port Orange, Fla. Posts: 189	7.98 second super stock GN Did anyone see this weeks National Dragster? There is a ad in there (page 36)about a legal SS/DX, 87 Grand National making a 7.98 pass at 167.44. Making it the first seven second super stock car in the world... The car also holds the MPH record at 171.31. Thats flying for anything but a LEGAL super stocker!!! Anyone have any info on this car?? Owned by John Gallina, but I can't find anything about the car... __________________ Don, 65 GTO tri power, 4 speed, post car. / 87 Grand National Winner TSM GS Nationals Bowling Green 2006, 9.92 @136.88, 64 Buick Skylark daily driver.(sold)... Last pass on V6 before it blew= 1.41 60' and 6.10 at 113.26 in the 1/8th... it was flying!!! My Photos http://www.hartlineperformance.com/ The devils greatest trick was to convince the world he didn't exist...(Roger Kint aka Verbal from the movie The Usual Suspects) a must see...

06-18-2003, 06:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,866	Sure, John and Marka have been tearing them up for a long time. Duttweiller used to have a lot of input with their cars and may still have. They were members of the mailing list and probably still are. Here is their site. http://www.fastbuicks.com/ __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

06-18-2003, 09:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scottie-GNZ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orlando, FL, USA Posts: 1,568	Did you notice it is 207ci? Dave Wicks from Orlando had his SS/DX car at Reynolds last Nov and ran it for the first time in a couple of years. Think it went 8.60 after breaking a rocker at the 1/8-mile. Dave's setup is a 215ci TT. __________________

06-18-2003, 09:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
firebird_1252 I'm the Best! Join Date: May 2001 Location: farmingville ny Posts: 12,733	what i dont get tho is that in stock your not aloud to change the stroke or bore of your motor and gotta run the factory amount of cubes. i'm dying to see this car in etown tho for a nhra national event __________________ Rob 87 GN fully loaded.. learning to walk again 03 vw GTI- wicked tuning turbo back, forged 007 diverter.. revo stage 2 coming soon 04 SC/MCSS 14.89 gone "But the day may come when you've got something to lose, and just when you think you're done paying dues And you say to yourself, dear God what Have I done? And hope its not too late 'cause tomorrow may never come."

06-18-2003, 10:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
TTA89 I want a Z06 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Pahk the Cah Posts: 5,993	I never understood the classes of racing either. Nothing is stock about a 7 second Buick expect maybe the emblems on the car. __________________ -Mike I used to own fast cars

06-18-2003, 10:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
firebird_1252 I'm the Best! Join Date: May 2001 Location: farmingville ny Posts: 12,733	the car must be stock appering. and SHOULd have the stock bore stroke but your aloud to use all upgraded parts for stock. ie. you go stock in a 85 z28. should be stock bore, stroke and the stock carb. your aloud change gears but not trannys eather. (i THINK.) i looked in to making my gn a car for stock but its too much. __________________ Rob 87 GN fully loaded.. learning to walk again 03 vw GTI- wicked tuning turbo back, forged 007 diverter.. revo stage 2 coming soon 04 SC/MCSS 14.89 gone "But the day may come when you've got something to lose, and just when you think you're done paying dues And you say to yourself, dear God what Have I done? And hope its not too late 'cause tomorrow may never come."

06-19-2003, 01:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
c&cgn Just doin' my thing Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 122	I can't tell you anything about the rules for the classes but their class is know as "experimental". Believe me, regardless of the name of the class the car does not look stock in any way shape or form. If I remember correctly John told me last year that the only thing left on the car that is actually from the stock GN is the windsheild. yup It is a Duttweiler built stage II twin turbo motor. Kenny still does pretty much all of the tuning, even by phone (John has his # programmed in his cell phone :p ) That run was at my home track in Mission BC. I skipped out of work early but I missed the pass by about 5 minutes. I spent most of the rest of the day with John and the guys though. <small>[ June 19, 2003, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: c&cgn ]</small> __________________ Clayton 86 GN: GT70, 75's, V2, THDP, Trans+ and Extender, Len Freeman 200-4R ET: 10.28 @ 133 mph, 1.46 60' 87 Silver T: Stock longblock, stock IC, TA49 w/Garrett housing: 11.81 @ 115 mph on Drag Radial's

06-19-2003, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
GNCOL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mebane, NC Posts: 1,618	Hi Don, I saw the title of your post and I thought you would be talking about your car. wink Say 'hi' to Irela. <small>[ June 19, 2003, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: GNCOL ]</small> __________________ Jim: 87 GN with: TE-61/PTE .63 housing; mildly ported stock heads; Erson 208 cam; Speed Pro forged pistons; rebuilt transmission and PTS 3,200 converter; 60# inj.; CAS V-4; 3" DP; ATR 2.5" SS exhaust; 62 JJ TB/stock plenum; RJC power plate; Gen II w/LS-1 MAF; Pete Tomka cold air system; SMC progressive alcohol; Walbro 340; Hoosier QTP (27"); and Extender G chip with 26/22 timing. Best 1/8 mile run: 6.904 @ 100.04 with 1.553 60'.

06-19-2003, 09:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Don Palumbo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Port Orange, Fla. Posts: 189	Hey Jim, I can't go 7.98 cause I won't give up the A/C LOL.. Irela says HI... powersix __________________ Don, 65 GTO tri power, 4 speed, post car. / 87 Grand National Winner TSM GS Nationals Bowling Green 2006, 9.92 @136.88, 64 Buick Skylark daily driver.(sold)... Last pass on V6 before it blew= 1.41 60' and 6.10 at 113.26 in the 1/8th... it was flying!!! My Photos http://www.hartlineperformance.com/ The devils greatest trick was to convince the world he didn't exist...(Roger Kint aka Verbal from the movie The Usual Suspects) a must see...

06-19-2003, 09:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Don Palumbo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Port Orange, Fla. Posts: 189	Thanks Steve, Thats a pretty cool website John has. powersix __________________ Don, 65 GTO tri power, 4 speed, post car. / 87 Grand National Winner TSM GS Nationals Bowling Green 2006, 9.92 @136.88, 64 Buick Skylark daily driver.(sold)... Last pass on V6 before it blew= 1.41 60' and 6.10 at 113.26 in the 1/8th... it was flying!!! My Photos http://www.hartlineperformance.com/ The devils greatest trick was to convince the world he didn't exist...(Roger Kint aka Verbal from the movie The Usual Suspects) a must see...

06-20-2003, 09:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
ILBCNU6 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Hope, MN. US Posts: 679	Tell me where you can buy a Pontiac GAm with a 500 cu in. engine stock or monte Carlo with the same cube engine! Point made is factoring to run in that class? Buddy Engersoll ran low low 7's and 200 mph in his car years ago! His was a small Indy Block with rollerized cam bearings and all the good stuff from Buick and they (Buick Eng.) helped him make it run right! Running a small cube Buick V6 makes it an even race running against a 500 cube V8?!!! Kinda like a Mustang running a Turbo that they never came with stock against a TR! Gene

06-20-2003, 10:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,866	He is running SS/D X It has nothing to do with stock. Experimental Anyone remember the '60s and the Experimental classes? Nah, did not think so. frown <small>[ June 20, 2003, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Steve Wood ]</small> __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

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