Congrat to Bird (aka Rich) 10.23 @131 on pump gas - Page 2

1980monteturbo · 10-20-2008, 12:24 AM

Grand National runs low 10's on pump gas

The second run turned out poorly. I'm still trying to figure out the new camera.

Pictures from day at TMP

BUICKGNX1 · 10-20-2008, 05:32 AM

CONGRATULATIONS

......Beautiful.... ...It looks like a missed another great one! Great times.....healthy strong running motor!

I saw steve's video post...all i can say is....holy s___.....DAMN....

Auguri!

Michael

gusszgs · 10-20-2008, 06:59 AM

Hey guys, was good meeting some of you finally.
Congrats Rich.......that's a fly'n!!

qwk_6ix · 10-20-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gusszgs

Hey guys, was good meeting some of you finally.
Congrats Rich.......that's a fly'n!!

What did you manage to squeeze out of your car in the end of the day ?

bird · 10-20-2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norbs

Interesting , I am spending years tig welding big pipes and turbo's here and can't even make a 10 second pass... I;m about to lose my mind here.

There is just something strange about that car of Birds...Needs more looking into.

Come look all you want

The reason your not out making runs is because you chose to tig weld big pipes instead

I have said it many times before KEEP IT SIMPLE! If you waste all your time trying to re invent the wheel your missing out on life itself. I use to feel bad for you but i'm starting to think you enjoy the pain

I can duplicate the exact combination on my car from a catalogue for any one here. Nothing magical on this car and i have nothing to hide. Norbs get out of that garage before it kills you. Put that thing together and go have fun.

btw, Steve, thanks for posting the video and the pics great job. Turbogiblets has another version from his buddys camera that i think is a little clearer i'll get him to post it. Thanks again.

turbogiblets · 10-20-2008, 11:49 AM

Rich, don't worry about the geeks who have problems giving credit where credits due. Unbelievable!

Here's the link to my friend Pauls vid. Congrats again Rich!

YouTube - Rich's 10.23 pass 87 Grand National (pump gas, no alky)

Just a Six?? · 10-20-2008, 12:06 PM

Rich,
Its amazing what that car does! I think its just a born race car as NOBODY else can run that number with 94 & LOW Boost & Timing!!

I would Greatly Appreciatte as well as others I'm sure, if you could post your setup for us? I cant believe that all cars would do it! Yours is a born Racer That loves the track!! Great Job!!!

PS: Did they BOOT you off the track??

ttypewhite · 10-20-2008, 12:19 PM

If you tune is on, you are good as gold. Not comparing apples to apples but it is quite similar. Last year I took my first pass with my street tune and boost at 22psi on slicks and dumped the exhaust in the fender. I was curious to see how fast the car would go with the program and boost I run on the street. My sixty foot was not that good but it still ran 10.14 @131mph. I did not run pump gas, it was C16. I am sure it could do it on pump gas, but knowing my luck. Something might blow off or something silly like that and cost me a headgasket or bottomend. For a complete street setup, IT CAN BE DONE. Rich's car works awesome. Just figure it like this. If you ever pull beside him on the street................133mph is what your gonna have to play with

Crazy ain't it? Ya gotta love the power of the 6.
YouTube - 22 psi run

Just a Six?? · 10-20-2008, 12:27 PM

I have only had 3 passes in 2 years with this combo well really 2 passes so very little tuning which means a lot but I know I can do a low 11 on gas but a low 10?? I am curious to see his combo? Maybe my old style 67 is in need of some upgrading & some Champion heads? I know the motor has it. ATR bar so 60's arent bad at 1.6-1.7 but its either tuning or he has a secret weapon under the hood?

More_Boost!! · 10-20-2008, 12:54 PM

In my opinion this can be duplicated.

Rich has some very good parts in his combo, such as : 70 GTQ turbo, Champion GN1 ported heads, Fast system, Pecision front mount)

The rest is well thought out also like injector size, fuel system, his obvious ability to tune, driver ability (I would have spun those ET streets

)

Another important item is the torque convertor.

I'd bet if you asked any of the TSM guys to run pump gas most if not all would be in the 9s

Hell some of them are on the brink of breaking 8s with the Stroker engines.

Rich has no VooDoo secrets just Money spent in the right places and an obvious knowlege of the fast system and very good tuning ability.

Again Rich

Congrats

Just a Six?? · 10-20-2008, 12:58 PM

Obviously he can tune but I never knew he ran a Fast system? Am curious about the converter? Man, these cars are Amazing arent they!!

278cikiller · 10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

Congrats Bird on the nice run .

gusszgs · 10-20-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwk_6ix

What did you manage to squeeze out of your car in the end of the day ?

Jordan, I only got in 3 passes. The first two were back to back 14.30
The last pass, I made a couple of changes (changed boost control back to stock) and added a little timing. The timeslip did not give me 1/4 mile data....just up to 1000ft 11.29 @ 79.72mph. I thinks it's a little better. I asked my buddy if he seen the et posted and he wasn't watching.

turboGUS · 10-20-2008, 03:25 PM

i was told at the track from now on its all time trials so i was thinking we should have a buick get together on a sun before they close and i was there when rich ran and let me tell you that car is fast..

bird · 10-20-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just a Six??

Rich,
Its amazing what that car does! I think its just a born race car as NOBODY else can run that number with 94 & LOW Boost & Timing!!

I would Greatly Appreciatte as well as others I'm sure, if you could post your setup for us? I cant believe that all cars would do it! Yours is a born Racer That loves the track!! Great Job!!!

PS: Did they BOOT you off the track??

Beleive me ANYONE can do it. Lots of guys across the border running way faster. Mike R(ttypewhite) and his dad are right thier as well. I think no one really bothers to try and run on straight pump gas. I am no master tuner. I just use common sense. I have owned this car since 1992 and have paid my dues.

They did not boot me off. I just didnt want too wait 2hrs for another pass and i really didn't want too push the car any harder. It was my ride home.

Heres my basic combo,
109 block, 2 ctr steel caps, .030 over wisecos w/mollys
stock standard crank, rods, flexplate, and balancer w/arp bolts
ported, gn1's w/1.55 t&d's, gm steel shim head gaskets.
210/210 .475 .475 cc hyd rlr
pte front mount
70 gtq .85 4 bolt on ctr
atr headers, 3" dual exh(always run closed), 3"dp, and gate w/rjc valve and cheap manual bleeder, 2nd lee gate on the crossover too keep the boost down on the street.
stock ported intake w/1"spacer, kenne bell 70mm t.b. and plenum
200r4 century trans with t-brake and all the goodies.
9" a/c non l/u aprox 34-3600 stall
3.42 stock diff except for mooser 28spline axles.
stock suspension except h&r bar, ss lowers, 90/10 up front, 2 airbags.
stock driveshaft with spicer joints.
home made double pumper stock fuel lines, 75lb inj.
old fast b2b
That pretty well sums it up.

10-20-2008, 12:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
1980monteturbo TURBOWTIE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maple, Ontario, Canada Posts: 392	Grand National runs low 10's on pump gas The second run turned out poorly. I'm still trying to figure out the new camera. Pictures from day at TMP __________________ 1980 Monte Carlo Turbo 1 of 706 made for export ( metric ) Conversion from factory Buick LC8 Turbo V6 to sbc then '87 Buick LC2/200r 12-bolt. Check it out - Cardomain Speedy Stevies Monte Carlo Turbo website Last edited by 1980monteturbo; 10-20-2008 at 12:42 AM.

10-20-2008, 05:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
BUICKGNX1 "BUICK'S finest BUICK" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brampton, Ontario Canada Posts: 439	CONGRATULATIONS......Beautiful.... ...It looks like a missed another great one! Great times.....healthy strong running motor! I saw steve's video post...all i can say is....holy s___.....DAMN.... Auguri! Michael

10-20-2008, 06:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
gusszgs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Barrie Posts: 102	Hey guys, was good meeting some of you finally. Congrats Rich.......that's a fly'n!! __________________ Jim 87 T limited 71 GS

10-20-2008, 12:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
Just a Six?? OK! Who Farted Again?? Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,488	Rich, Its amazing what that car does! I think its just a born race car as NOBODY else can run that number with 94 & LOW Boost & Timing!! I would Greatly Appreciatte as well as others I'm sure, if you could post your setup for us? I cant believe that all cars would do it! Yours is a born Racer That loves the track!! Great Job!!! PS: Did they BOOT you off the track?? __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Not another like it! Lots of Go Fast goodies! 11.5 is as Fast as I go! Thats what the track told me! It's a Small World, but I wouldn't want to Paint It!! BPG Member #2040 Last edited by Just a Six??; 10-20-2008 at 12:09 PM.

10-20-2008, 12:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
ttypewhite Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: T-Dot Posts: 1,031	If you tune is on, you are good as gold. Not comparing apples to apples but it is quite similar. Last year I took my first pass with my street tune and boost at 22psi on slicks and dumped the exhaust in the fender. I was curious to see how fast the car would go with the program and boost I run on the street. My sixty foot was not that good but it still ran 10.14 @131mph. I did not run pump gas, it was C16. I am sure it could do it on pump gas, but knowing my luck. Something might blow off or something silly like that and cost me a headgasket or bottomend. For a complete street setup, IT CAN BE DONE. Rich's car works awesome. Just figure it like this. If you ever pull beside him on the street................133mph is what your gonna have to play with Crazy ain't it? Ya gotta love the power of the 6. YouTube - 22 psi run __________________ **NOVELLUS GRAPHICS RESOURCES FOR YOUR PRINT, PREPRESS AND CREATIVE NEEDS** www.novellusgraphics.com 9.94@ 135mph with a 1.37 sixty foot http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...56017164c6.htm www.anderson-performance.com 410-282-9335 DLS Engine Development 886 E 900 N Wheatfield IN 46392 219-956-3653

10-20-2008, 11:49 AM	#21 (permalink)
turbogiblets turbogiblets Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mississauga Posts: 45	Rich, don't worry about the geeks who have problems giving credit where credits due. Unbelievable! Here's the link to my friend Pauls vid. Congrats again Rich! YouTube - Rich's 10.23 pass 87 Grand National (pump gas, no alky)

10-20-2008, 12:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
Just a Six?? OK! Who Farted Again?? Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,488	I have only had 3 passes in 2 years with this combo well really 2 passes so very little tuning which means a lot but I know I can do a low 11 on gas but a low 10?? I am curious to see his combo? Maybe my old style 67 is in need of some upgrading & some Champion heads? I know the motor has it. ATR bar so 60's arent bad at 1.6-1.7 but its either tuning or he has a secret weapon under the hood? __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Not another like it! Lots of Go Fast goodies! 11.5 is as Fast as I go! Thats what the track told me! It's a Small World, but I wouldn't want to Paint It!! BPG Member #2040

10-20-2008, 12:54 PM	#25 (permalink)
More_Boost!! Boosted 6 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great White North EH. Posts: 3,009	In my opinion this can be duplicated. Rich has some very good parts in his combo, such as : 70 GTQ turbo, Champion GN1 ported heads, Fast system, Pecision front mount) The rest is well thought out also like injector size, fuel system, his obvious ability to tune, driver ability (I would have spun those ET streets ) Another important item is the torque convertor. I'd bet if you asked any of the TSM guys to run pump gas most if not all would be in the 9s Hell some of them are on the brink of breaking 8s with the Stroker engines. Rich has no VooDoo secrets just Money spent in the right places and an obvious knowlege of the fast system and very good tuning ability. Again Rich Congrats

10-20-2008, 12:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
Just a Six?? OK! Who Farted Again?? Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,488	Obviously he can tune but I never knew he ran a Fast system? Am curious about the converter? Man, these cars are Amazing arent they!! __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Not another like it! Lots of Go Fast goodies! 11.5 is as Fast as I go! Thats what the track told me! It's a Small World, but I wouldn't want to Paint It!! BPG Member #2040

10-20-2008, 02:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
278cikiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bowmanville Posts: 848	Nice run Congrats Bird on the nice run . __________________ 1987 BUICK REGAL SLEEPER 274-done 45 over stage II motor, # 153 BLOCK , 212 ,206 roller cam, Preission Front mount intercooler, 83lb injectors,stock ECM with Drivers,-RJC-4" crome pipe,-3-1/2" LS-1 MASS AIR, Preission 70MM Dog House and power plate, 70mm Accufab Throttle Body, Quad air, Double Fuel Pump, G&N-1 Alum Heads, 1.65 T&D Roller Rockers, NEW SET OF STAINLESS STEEL ATR HEADERS FOUR BOLT,WITH MARK II RACE GATE, SMC Alcohol injection system, John Craig LImted Enginering Big Shaft 76 Turbo with .81 EXCH Housing 3" mandrel bent exhaust front to back, Raised runners on intake & 1" inch spacer, Power plate, FORD 9" REAR END WITH 390 GEARS WITH 33 SPLINE AXELS:AIR BAGS AND DRAG SHOCKS,FRONT DRAG SHOCKS 90/10 NATIONAL RACING:6 24/7 SERVICE.:905-213-2871 or 905-419-0704 Home of Durhams Fastest Turbo Buicks: I DO WORK ON GRAND NATIONALS,AND T-TYPES & GNX. 20 YEARS ON THESE CARS. I DO SAND BLASTING NOW! ERICS TURBO TWEEK CHIP.

10-20-2008, 03:25 PM	#29 (permalink)
turboGUS Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto EAST Posts: 590	congrats to rich i was told at the track from now on its all time trials so i was thinking we should have a buick get together on a sun before they close and i was there when rich ran and let me tell you that car is fast..

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