What's Before Black?

b4black · 02-06-2004, 01:11 PM

What's Before Black? Well, the "Black", as you can figure out, refers to the all black 1984-87 Buick Grand Nationals and, of course, the GNX. Yes, other colors were available if you opted for a T Type or Turbo T, but most people understand Grand National. And that means black, all black.

Before Black refers to the Buick V6 engine and the cars that preceded the Fuel Injected Turbo Regals. These are the 1982 Regal Grand National (the only year the GN wasn't black) and cars powered by the 1978-83 Carb/Turbo V6. It also includes all other carbureted Buick V6's a.k.a. NA's (normally aspirated). Even 1984-87 Buick V6 NA's fits this category, since they are basically working with pre-SFI technology.

And why the Pontiac 301T? Well wrapped around that 301 Pontiac motor is Buick technology. The draw-thru turbo, the ESC and rest are taken from the Buick Turbo V6. What works on a Turbo V6 will likely work on a 301T, and vice-versa.

If you haven't already, please take a look at the BEFORE BLACK Website . Much of it's content originated here on this message board. One thing you will soon realize is that while these engines may not be on par with the later SFI/Turbo V6, they certainly have potential to be performance motors. Hopefully, just as the SFI/Turbo owners have taken advantage of Internet and it's ability to share knowledge, so can we.

Thanks for participating.

b4black · 02-06-2004, 01:13 PM

BEFORE BLACK Links

I will try to keep this updated with vendors which sell parts specific to our cars and any websites featuring a "Before Black" cars. If I'm missing something, or you have a website for your car, please let me know.

You can find a link to the Before Black Webring there!

b4black · 03-01-2004, 02:25 PM

For people new to this forum, here's a couple of good threads to start with.

Before Black Owners - Introduce Yourself

Interesting 'Before Black' items on ebay and elsewhere

Recommended reading

Welcome!

PS- Try the search function on "THE thread" (without the quotes) to find great threads on common topics.

b4black · 03-01-2004, 02:28 PM

And I'll stick this here till I remember to add it to the website.

(I didn't forget it Pat

)

Holley part #'s for Before Black turbo's

02-06-2004, 01:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
b4black Carb/Turbo Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,581	What's Before Black? What's Before Black? Well, the "Black", as you can figure out, refers to the all black 1984-87 Buick Grand Nationals and, of course, the GNX. Yes, other colors were available if you opted for a T Type or Turbo T, but most people understand Grand National. And that means black, all black. Before Black refers to the Buick V6 engine and the cars that preceded the Fuel Injected Turbo Regals. These are the 1982 Regal Grand National (the only year the GN wasn't black) and cars powered by the 1978-83 Carb/Turbo V6. It also includes all other carbureted Buick V6's a.k.a. NA's (normally aspirated). Even 1984-87 Buick V6 NA's fits this category, since they are basically working with pre-SFI technology. And why the Pontiac 301T? Well wrapped around that 301 Pontiac motor is Buick technology. The draw-thru turbo, the ESC and rest are taken from the Buick Turbo V6. What works on a Turbo V6 will likely work on a 301T, and vice-versa. If you haven't already, please take a look at the BEFORE BLACK Website . Much of it's content originated here on this message board. One thing you will soon realize is that while these engines may not be on par with the later SFI/Turbo V6, they certainly have potential to be performance motors. Hopefully, just as the SFI/Turbo owners have taken advantage of Internet and it's ability to share knowledge, so can we. Thanks for participating. __________________ Rich George BEFORE BLACK Website 1983 Regal T TYPE 14.21 @ 93.75 mph - Have I caught the IC cars yet??? 1982 Regal GRAND NATIONAL 1998 Regal GS and 1996 Dodge Ram TurboDiesel too! Chicagoland Chapter GSCA Last edited by b4black : 11-05-2007 at 09:09 AM.

02-06-2004, 01:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
b4black Carb/Turbo Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,581	BEFORE BLACK Links I will try to keep this updated with vendors which sell parts specific to our cars and any websites featuring a "Before Black" cars. If I'm missing something, or you have a website for your car, please let me know. You can find a link to the Before Black Webring there! Last edited by b4black : 11-05-2007 at 09:10 AM.

03-01-2004, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
b4black Carb/Turbo Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,581	For people new to this forum, here's a couple of good threads to start with. Before Black Owners - Introduce Yourself Interesting 'Before Black' items on ebay and elsewhere Recommended reading Welcome! PS- Try the search function on "THE thread" (without the quotes) to find great threads on common topics. Last edited by b4black : 09-23-2004 at 07:40 AM.

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03-01-2004, 02:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
b4black Carb/Turbo Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,581	And I'll stick this here till I remember to add it to the website. (I didn't forget it Pat ) Holley part #'s for Before Black turbo's