alky tune help

kraused · 05-15-2008, 09:37 PM

I just got motor and everything back together and running.Installled alky kit bla bla bla,i am only running 12 lbs of boost right now.I am getting 1.2 knock when it shifts into 3rd at a 11.5 wbo2 reading .It is in this 11.5 range in 1st and 2nd also with zero knock,but 3rd i see1.2. i have not adjusted anything in the box for gain etc.I have the dial on the alky box set at like 7-8 should i be turning that up or should i go into the pac one and turn the gain or pump up. I have not pulled any fuel out on my tt chip at all,also have not changed timing in it at all. Where should I start.... it is activating alky about 4-5lbs of boost etc.just has knock at 3rd again this is at 12lbs no more or less.thanks in advance guys...

Steve Wood · 05-15-2008, 10:23 PM

why are you trying to spray alky at only 12# of boost? Either try turning the boost up, or turn the alky off as a first step

kraused · 05-16-2008, 07:34 AM

new to this was making sure everything was good to go before i go turning it up.motor has about 400 miles on it was just trying to keep it at a safe level... so i guess i will turn it up say 20 a good place to start

Steve Wood · 05-16-2008, 08:22 AM

reasonably safe, but watch the timing retard, and, if it shoots up, get your foot out immediately whether the boost is 5 pounds, 10 pounds, or 18 pounds. There is always a possibility that there is something wrong other than the alky.

The TT chip already has some fuel removed at wot anticipating alky spraying.

Make sure the alky does spray when you hit the test button. Engine should immediately bog at idle or cruise when you press the button.

william brophy · 05-16-2008, 09:55 AM

I would do Steve's second suggestion and just turn the alky off, why risk 20 and doing some damage. I would also think about putting the chip timing back to a TT street chip 20/18 degree and see what that does. Either way as long as you watch things like a hawk you should be OK.

kraused · 05-17-2008, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wood

reasonably safe, but watch the timing retard, and, if it shoots up, get your foot out immediately whether the boost is 5 pounds, 10 pounds, or 18 pounds. There is always a possibility that there is something wrong other than the alky.

The TT chip already has some fuel removed at wot anticipating alky spraying.

Make sure the alky does spray when you hit the test button. Engine should immediately bog at idle or cruise when you press the button.

it does bog and almost kill when i test it took it out today boost set at about 18.5. pull ran smooth and zero knock into 3rd,had the eyes glued to scanmaster watching for knock.

Steve Wood · 05-17-2008, 12:59 PM

I suspect Eric anticipates 24-25# of boost with the fuel curve he programs. I would go ahead and try it again around 22# and see what it does.

When the boost is less, the car will be pretty fat and won't accelerate nearly as hard as it does when it leans out.

Look at your PL logs....check for timing retard, battery voltage at 13.5v or better, factory 02s around something like 760-780. Wideband O2s close to 11.0 as the boost gets into the 20s. Wideband is much more important than factory 02s.

And no timing retard! other than a little at launch or on the shift which might be false. If it suddenly appears rather than ramping up to a peak, it is probably false as long as it immediately starts to go away.

kraused · 05-19-2008, 06:25 PM

i got some logs that i record on the way to work scanmaster showed knock upward of 3.7 but logger showed 1.3 at most this was at 18.5psi and just from1-2 So i took another blast just eased into boost and scanmaster went 4.5 then 0 checked logger.wbo2 was in the high 10's i looked at advance and it was at like 30.2 ,so i pulled 5 degree's out on chip at 12 and 34.Know i lay into it the rear end skates all over and scanmaster shows .5-1.2 logger 0.so what should i do know....

Steve Wood · 05-19-2008, 09:31 PM

sounds like false detonation to me...real detonation does not go away, it gets worse

Don't pedal the car, put it on the floor and the timing will be right....so hard to convince people that they cannot get away with part throttle....

Post your logs or send them to me

kraused · 05-19-2008, 09:43 PM

will do i will put everything back to erics settings before i leave for work in the morning then i will post both to and from work logs. unless you think i should leave it at the settings i have for timing now.Thanks again steve..

Steve Wood · 05-20-2008, 08:45 AM

No, I would set it at Eric's settings

kraused · 05-20-2008, 05:56 PM

have some logs but they are to big to post on here i will send them to you email okay ???? these are smaller and are with erics tune and low boost like 13

Steve Wood · 05-20-2008, 09:31 PM

Looks like everything is working.

I guess it is cold up there, but, do you have a thermostat in it?

kraused · 05-21-2008, 07:29 PM

yes it is cold up here it has been like 60 but cold 60.It has a t stat in it I think it is like a 160 should i go higher.....

Steve Wood · 05-21-2008, 09:21 PM

These days some think that 180 is better....probably more efficient, but, I think 160 is better for avoiding detonation

I doubt there is any hard proof either way.

05-15-2008, 09:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
kraused still learning the game Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Fond Du Lac,wi Posts: 414	alky tune help I just got motor and everything back together and running.Installled alky kit bla bla bla,i am only running 12 lbs of boost right now.I am getting 1.2 knock when it shifts into 3rd at a 11.5 wbo2 reading .It is in this 11.5 range in 1st and 2nd also with zero knock,but 3rd i see1.2. i have not adjusted anything in the box for gain etc.I have the dial on the alky box set at like 7-8 should i be turning that up or should i go into the pac one and turn the gain or pump up. I have not pulled any fuel out on my tt chip at all,also have not changed timing in it at all. Where should I start.... it is activating alky about 4-5lbs of boost etc.just has knock at 3rd again this is at 12lbs no more or less.thanks in advance guys... __________________ 87 GN - updated bottom 206/210 roller cam, 61mm p trim bb turbo,adjustable acctuator,60lb injectors,75mm tb ported plenum,Ported stock irons big valves,ported intake,Turbosmart manual boost controler,RJC power plate & pullies,accufab afpr,255+hotwire,maf translator (6.25),4 inch big mouth intake with integrated sensor, Gbody 21 row stock mount intercooler,3.42 gears,2800 stall,shift kit,3inch tt exhaust,3" tig masters down pipe,poston headers,razor single nozzle progressive alky kit,tt alky chip(6.0), scanmaster,powerlogger,28" radial, was original.... 92 Typhoon pretty much stock.

05-15-2008, 10:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	why are you trying to spray alky at only 12# of boost? Either try turning the boost up, or turn the alky off as a first step __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-16-2008, 07:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
kraused still learning the game Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Fond Du Lac,wi Posts: 414	new to this was making sure everything was good to go before i go turning it up.motor has about 400 miles on it was just trying to keep it at a safe level... so i guess i will turn it up say 20 a good place to start __________________ 87 GN - updated bottom 206/210 roller cam, 61mm p trim bb turbo,adjustable acctuator,60lb injectors,75mm tb ported plenum,Ported stock irons big valves,ported intake,Turbosmart manual boost controler,RJC power plate & pullies,accufab afpr,255+hotwire,maf translator (6.25),4 inch big mouth intake with integrated sensor, Gbody 21 row stock mount intercooler,3.42 gears,2800 stall,shift kit,3inch tt exhaust,3" tig masters down pipe,poston headers,razor single nozzle progressive alky kit,tt alky chip(6.0), scanmaster,powerlogger,28" radial, was original.... 92 Typhoon pretty much stock.

05-16-2008, 08:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	reasonably safe, but watch the timing retard, and, if it shoots up, get your foot out immediately whether the boost is 5 pounds, 10 pounds, or 18 pounds. There is always a possibility that there is something wrong other than the alky. The TT chip already has some fuel removed at wot anticipating alky spraying. Make sure the alky does spray when you hit the test button. Engine should immediately bog at idle or cruise when you press the button. __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-16-2008, 09:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
william brophy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 998	I would do Steve's second suggestion and just turn the alky off, why risk 20 and doing some damage. I would also think about putting the chip timing back to a TT street chip 20/18 degree and see what that does. Either way as long as you watch things like a hawk you should be OK. __________________ WE4 HARDTOP @3700 lbs., 2004R, OEM BLOCK, OEM COMPUTER, AIR CONDITIONED, ETC. GOD BLESS AMERICA Last edited by william brophy : 05-16-2008 at 10:01 AM.

05-17-2008, 12:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	I suspect Eric anticipates 24-25# of boost with the fuel curve he programs. I would go ahead and try it again around 22# and see what it does. When the boost is less, the car will be pretty fat and won't accelerate nearly as hard as it does when it leans out. Look at your PL logs....check for timing retard, battery voltage at 13.5v or better, factory 02s around something like 760-780. Wideband O2s close to 11.0 as the boost gets into the 20s. Wideband is much more important than factory 02s. And no timing retard! other than a little at launch or on the shift which might be false. If it suddenly appears rather than ramping up to a peak, it is probably false as long as it immediately starts to go away. __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-19-2008, 06:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
kraused still learning the game Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Fond Du Lac,wi Posts: 414	i got some logs that i record on the way to work scanmaster showed knock upward of 3.7 but logger showed 1.3 at most this was at 18.5psi and just from1-2 So i took another blast just eased into boost and scanmaster went 4.5 then 0 checked logger.wbo2 was in the high 10's i looked at advance and it was at like 30.2 ,so i pulled 5 degree's out on chip at 12 and 34.Know i lay into it the rear end skates all over and scanmaster shows .5-1.2 logger 0.so what should i do know.... __________________ 87 GN - updated bottom 206/210 roller cam, 61mm p trim bb turbo,adjustable acctuator,60lb injectors,75mm tb ported plenum,Ported stock irons big valves,ported intake,Turbosmart manual boost controler,RJC power plate & pullies,accufab afpr,255+hotwire,maf translator (6.25),4 inch big mouth intake with integrated sensor, Gbody 21 row stock mount intercooler,3.42 gears,2800 stall,shift kit,3inch tt exhaust,3" tig masters down pipe,poston headers,razor single nozzle progressive alky kit,tt alky chip(6.0), scanmaster,powerlogger,28" radial, was original.... 92 Typhoon pretty much stock.

05-19-2008, 09:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	sounds like false detonation to me...real detonation does not go away, it gets worse Don't pedal the car, put it on the floor and the timing will be right....so hard to convince people that they cannot get away with part throttle.... Post your logs or send them to me __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-19-2008, 09:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
kraused still learning the game Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Fond Du Lac,wi Posts: 414	will do i will put everything back to erics settings before i leave for work in the morning then i will post both to and from work logs. unless you think i should leave it at the settings i have for timing now.Thanks again steve.. __________________ 87 GN - updated bottom 206/210 roller cam, 61mm p trim bb turbo,adjustable acctuator,60lb injectors,75mm tb ported plenum,Ported stock irons big valves,ported intake,Turbosmart manual boost controler,RJC power plate & pullies,accufab afpr,255+hotwire,maf translator (6.25),4 inch big mouth intake with integrated sensor, Gbody 21 row stock mount intercooler,3.42 gears,2800 stall,shift kit,3inch tt exhaust,3" tig masters down pipe,poston headers,razor single nozzle progressive alky kit,tt alky chip(6.0), scanmaster,powerlogger,28" radial, was original.... 92 Typhoon pretty much stock. Last edited by kraused : 05-19-2008 at 09:48 PM.

05-20-2008, 08:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	No, I would set it at Eric's settings __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-20-2008, 09:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	Looks like everything is working. I guess it is cold up there, but, do you have a thermostat in it? __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-21-2008, 07:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
kraused still learning the game Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Fond Du Lac,wi Posts: 414	yes it is cold up here it has been like 60 but cold 60.It has a t stat in it I think it is like a 160 should i go higher..... __________________ 87 GN - updated bottom 206/210 roller cam, 61mm p trim bb turbo,adjustable acctuator,60lb injectors,75mm tb ported plenum,Ported stock irons big valves,ported intake,Turbosmart manual boost controler,RJC power plate & pullies,accufab afpr,255+hotwire,maf translator (6.25),4 inch big mouth intake with integrated sensor, Gbody 21 row stock mount intercooler,3.42 gears,2800 stall,shift kit,3inch tt exhaust,3" tig masters down pipe,poston headers,razor single nozzle progressive alky kit,tt alky chip(6.0), scanmaster,powerlogger,28" radial, was original.... 92 Typhoon pretty much stock.

05-21-2008, 09:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,369	These days some think that 180 is better....probably more efficient, but, I think 160 is better for avoiding detonation I doubt there is any hard proof either way. __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

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