What are the advantages of the controller system over the DIY

[TurboBuickSix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

X2 "KISS" keep it simple stupid My daughter ran in the 9s with her street driven GN with Julio's system

Grumpy if you had a Coolingmist controller as opposed to the alchycontrol do you think your daughters car would still run those same numbers? How about using straight race gas,no alchy,have you run it like that yet to see the results without any alchy? I myself and trying to learn as much as possible b4 I buy a kit,thanks for your input.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by TurboBuickSix

Grumpy if you had a Coolingmist controller as opposed to the alchycontrol do you think your daughters car would still run those same numbers? How about using straight race gas,no alchy,have you run it like that yet to see the results without any alchy? I myself and trying to learn as much as possible b4 I buy a kit,thanks for your input.

Don't know BUT we are not trying it.. Her combo is out there so let someone else play the Guinea Pig ... Julio systems work!! He is always there for questions or problems . His kit is for a BUICK . I have put a lot of them in customers cars . Oh my customers are like me.. set the thing up and leave it alone .. simple/stupid. Race gas??? NOPE.. NOT us !! She is goin 138+ mph in a heavy car in street trim so you KNOW its making power. Car stays the same set up all the time .. Race/Street it doesn't matter .. Get in the car and drive !! When she ran 11.5s @ 118 in her old WE4 for years with her old set up with race gas it was great !! Then Julio finally talked me into trying an alky kit. the 2nd week out she was running 11.4s @ 118.. So you can see its easy to "play" with
As far as Cooling Mist ?? Way to many pissing contests out there between him and Alky Control.. Bottom line ...one word RESULTS !!!!! Julio has a LOT of fast Buicks out there with his PROVEN system.. enuff said as far as I can see .. What does the Missouri number plate say ??? SHOW ME with a Cooling mist set up
Damm sounds like a commercial for ALKYCONTROL Good luck on whatever ya want to do!!

[Red Regal T]

Originally Posted by GNNOVA

SalvageV6 How would I make the DIY system more like a progressive for a softer hit. I like cheaper. I don't realy want to go more than 20lbs of boost. The car is to nice to beat it or put in a roll bar. I just want to run pump gas and not have a lot of knock. At present I can't get over 16lbs of boost or I'll pull a lot of knock.

Ken

At last ... somebody who wants to save a buck.

You don't need progressive. I've been running DIY alky on the different TRs I have owned for the past 10 years, and I have never experienced a bog condition. Hobbs set at 8lbs or so, hit that level and zoom to 25 psi ... there ya go.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

At last ... somebody who wants to save a buck.

You don't need progressive. I've been running DIY alky on the different TRs I have owned for the past 10 years, and I have never experienced a bog condition. Hobbs set at 8lbs or so, hit that level and zoom to 25 psi ... there ya go.

so how fast do ya run with the DIY system ???

[stevemon]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

so how fast do ya run with the DIY system ???

How fast you wanna go? The alky kit don't make it fast. Any decent kit will support fast though. I installed DIYs on two cars that ran mid 10s with it.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by stevemon

How fast you wanna go? The alky kit don't make it fast. Any decent kit will support fast though. I installed DIYs on two cars that ran mid 10s with it.

how were they driving on the street ??? Goin fast is one thing but DRIVING the car is another

[stevemon]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

how were they driving on the street ??? Goin fast is one thing but DRIVING the car is another

I installed over 30 DIY kits and absolutely none of them had any bog. Of course with a DIY, one size doesn't fit all but it doesn't take much to get it dialed in. Of course others prefer simple and are willing to pay for the convenience. Nothing wrong with that but there's more than one way to do this and be successful at it.

[Steve Wood]

Amazing. We ran non progressive kits for years and no one worried about bog. Suddenly, one has to have progressive controllers to avoid the dreaded bog.

There is no doubt that a progressive controlled set up can push the limit of the art a bit further, but, the average 11 second car can do it without pushing the limits. If one is mechanically inept, or not experienced in tuning...then a kit is probably an easier route. Otherwise a homebuilt set up has been proven many times over.


Somehow, I suspect Dan's daughter's car will run 9.8 whether it has any alky in the tank, or not. It is certainly not representative of 90% of the cars driven on the street. To try to associate that car's performance with a specific alky kit and then to put down any other kit as being inferior is really bordering on the absurd.

[Grumpy]

I was thinking a controller isn't goin to be that critical to a car running in the 12s compared to one running in the 10s.. Thats why I was thinking of a bog A 12 sec car can prob use a "drip" like an IV in your arm

[ULYCYC]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I was thinking a controller isn't goin to be that critical to a car running in the 12s compared to one running in the 10s.. Thats why I was thinking of a bog A 12 sec car can prob use a "drip" like an IV in your arm

Why do you need alky to run 12's I ran 11.70 driving onto the track from the highway in full street trim and 17lbs of boost with my 3875 lb lead sled. 93 pump gas and no alky or any other additives. Must be that special Map Light I have

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by ULYCYC

Why do you need alky to run 12's

I was goin to say that but the original poster wanted to "try" alky running 20#s of boost

[GNNOVA]

If I would get off my butt and put the correct brake setup on the rear I could probably run elevens now since the car ran 116. My 60ft's were in the 2.2's. Can't hold any boost on the line. But that is a different story. I was looking at the alky injection for a margin of safety. Right now with 17lbs of boost it will pull a lot of knock sometimes and other times not. I would like to get it where it pulls no or very little all the time and if I can get that with 20lbs of boost on a DIY kit all the better. Thanks for all the info from everyone. I've got most of the parts and will be installing the kit in a month or so.

[Zap's Master and Superior]

Originally Posted by Zap's Master and Superior

The progressive systems can start spraying minute amounts at the turn on point and ramp up the volume as boost rises. This eliminates the bogging of the engine due to excesssive amounts of alky at lower boost levels. This also protects you against overboost situations. If your car overboosts to 28psi by chance the alky will continue to ramp up to meet the needs of the added boost. An on/off system can't offer that protection.

If you are wondering if the progressive system is worth the doe do a search. Try and find one person that says they wished they hadn't purchased their progressive system but rather had purchased an on/off system instead.

I was to lazy to type that again so I quoted it. Don't forget those points. They mean a lot.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Zap's Master and Superior

I was to lazy to type that again so I quoted it. Don't forget those points. They mean a lot.

yes BUT an on/off system is cheaper I'd say give it a whirl.. If ya blow it up then go to another system or "tweak" yours a little more

[stevemon]

Oooo!! You guys got me scared! Do you think if I just send off some money to the alky controller wizard he won't put a hex on me?

Let's see... Total of 18 years driving two turbo cars running 24 psi on DIY alky and no carnage. (take care of your schidt and you can usually avoid that) Must be why I never popped a headgasket.
Oh yeah, I had a grand total of $300 in TWO DIY kits and I never encountered that dreaded bog.

Try and find one person that says they wished they hadn't purchased their progressive system but rather had purchased an on/off system instead

That's stupid to say someone going from no alky to a $500 kit is going to badmouth it. Sure they'll brag it up since they have so much invested in it plus the benefit of alky is so much better than pump gas.