TAI Class for 2008 BG Nationals

[Zap's Master and Superior]

Originally Posted by TWIN86GNS

Why doesn't TSM allow alcohol injection? I would assume it was becasue they couln't police the liquid that was injected into the up pipe. Will TAI end up the same way???

Yep. Its just a matter of time before TAI won't allow alcohol injection.Dumass.

[IfYaGot3Yards]

Any cars running w/o a BOV will be fined $350.00, just for not having a BOV.




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[Razor]

Originally Posted by TWIN86GNS

If the TAI class is to be a budget race class, then it should be limited to a TE-44 turbo and 3600 lbs. The TE-44's are cheap to buy, lots of guys run them and that will keep the cars from going faster than Russ Merrit is worried about on the other board. If the class is set up for TE-67's then Russ's worries will come true sooner than later.

If the TAI class isn't worried about being a budget race class, then they should be allowed to run a TE-70 turbo again with a minimum weight of 3600 lbs.



Just thinking??

Why doesn't TSM allow alcohol injection? I would assume it was becasue they couln't police the liquid that was injected into the up pipe. Will TAI end up the same way???

Paul,
I think by the time you trailer a car hundreds of miles to go to an event to race it.. there is no longer a budget. The guys on a budget wont trailer a car 1200 miles. So the answer is easy on this.. I think if you can spool the turbo and be competitive.. doesnt matter what size turbo. Just keep them 3 bolt and the exhuast housing will dictate the rest.

I think the low participation in the recent years has been for this reason. Whereby you trailer a car for 1200 miles.. whats a 100 bucks in race gas? So the only way to make it bring up the car count will be limit the rules and increase the payout. The more rules.. the more conflict and policing. But I do agree on weight in the spirit of the cars being street cars.

Basically we're creating a TSM on pump gas without the rules. The payout will be the draw for running on 93 octane.

I'll talk with the vendors the next few weeks and get a handle of what parts they sell the most of, then rules can be made where they dont exclude anyone. I really hate rules.

[Razor]

Almost forgot.. yes on policing the liquid.. that was in the TAI rules from 2 years ago. Whereby they wanted the methanol from a sealed container. I could care less who's/whats/where's/etc liquid is in the tank. Someone wants to run 50/50 and Mr. Clean.. let em.. ultimately it will be the "Show Me" what works

TSM would never allow it becuase of policing of what liquid and where it came from. I'm supprised they allow any fuel in the tanks..

[GNVYUS 1]

Does the current class have a meeting time where everyone has to fill up on 93 and alky in front of everyone??

It's hard to say budget racer class when you can't even pick these cars up for anything under $12k anymore.

[Russ Merritt]

Originally Posted by TWIN86GNS

If the TAI class is to be a budget race class, then it should be limited to a TE-44 turbo and 3600 lbs. The TE-44's are cheap to buy, lots of guys run them and that will keep the cars from going faster than Russ Merrit is worried about on the other board. If the class is set up for TE-67's then Russ's worries will come true sooner than later.

Are you high?

I ain't worried about sqwat!!....... Put your car together and come get in the action Paul.......Plenty of time......

[Ttype83]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

anyone ??? anyone??? Bueller?? Bueller?? throw out all you opinions and maybe we can make everyone happy then again maybe not

Originally Posted by Russ Merritt

Are you high?

I ain't worried about sqwat!!....... Put your car together and come get in the action Paul.......Plenty of time......

I can't leave for 2 minutes without you two getting into trouble...wait until your moms get home

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Ttype83

I can't leave for 2 minutes without you two getting into trouble...wait until your moms get home

hey I am actually doing house junk for the next 3/4 months .. cars are just "waiting" for me to feel like lookin at them ... plus to cold out in the garage dammmm really getting lazy

[gbsean]

I would be very interested in some sort of alky class.....the question is how would you regulate it....proof of insurance...registration...maybe a cruise before qualifcation to fill up on pump gas....and then do your runs...stock gas tank....full interior...AC working....no fiberglass parts?????...problem with too many rules is the ability to bend those rules....maybe just a peer inspection...all those that want to race assemble the cars and you cast ballots.....maybe a zero qualify....and the ladder is drawn out of a hat....if it is a true street car...it should be able to run anytime...anywhere....just throwing stuff out....

[IfYaGot3Yards]

Originally Posted by gbsean

and the ladder is


drawn out of a hat...

And said hat must be from Lock & Co., per link below:

Lock & Co Hatters ---

[Grumpy]

well one other way was thrown by me and is used by the one of the Mustang fastest street car class's.. they take a 25 mile run and then go back to the track... can't open the hood or anything like that ..then make 3 back to back runs .. then average them out .... rules are really hard to come up with ... I didn't want fiberglass parts in the beginning but if ya have a weight you have to meet who cars .. at the rate we are goin it's just goin to be a race "flapping" on the net soooo keep throwing out idea's

[gbsean]

how about a run...a cruise...a run...a cruise...and another run....would take some time to get it done...but there is usaully some down time... at the track trouble is you dont want to make it too complicated....unlike your car...just keep it simple.....would it be heads up or bracket...think bracket would be the best option.....would need 2 classes 11.49 and quicker and 11.50 and slower...then what do you do about nitrous...or propane....will be tough coming up with a class that you can get the most competion out of...another question...are slicks going to be allowed...or DOT only....

[GNVYUS 1]

What about splitting the class up on turbo size and not E.T.??
This would be so the guy who is haulin ass on a small turbo ( Ex. TE63 and smaller ) doesn't get bumped into the big turbo category, he eats his own at the track.

And this way the smaller guys can duke it out and not worry about the heads up aspect, it's just balls out regardless of who is in the next lane?

I like the heads up aspect but it can get boring knowing you are dead meat against a car like Grumpys from the get go etc.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by GNVYUS 1

I like the heads up aspect but it can get boring knowing you are dead meat against a car like Grumpys from the get go etc.

remember the car has to be running at the end of the day !!! we drove Melissa's all over the place down there ... left the truck and trailer at the track for the week .. raced all week then Sat morning I went out to start the car up and the alt light was staying on .. made it to the track from the hotel (thanks to the awesome "OPTIMA" battery ) .. changed the alt .. no big deal.. then the car wouldn't start... soooooo like I say "**** happeneds to EVERYONE"

[gbsean]

again it is a class for street driven cars...maybe a cruise in the morning..3 runs like Dan said and then a final cruise after the runs...if your car cannot make the cruise then you are dq'd...the more I think about the 3 runs and then average the runs...you could have 2 winners...low ET and top MPH....heads up racing just to get your timeslips....this would promote ringing out your car, but not to the point of breaking it as you know you have a 25 mile cruise after the racing is done....after you make your run...you then have to do the cruise...this could be to someone in the parking lot of the host hotel...with cell phones and internet the information could be relayed from the track to the checkpoint as to who is coming...that car/driver would then pick up a ticket or voucher proving that they made it....or something along those lines