Alky control kits ???

[Razor]

Originally Posted by buickv6

Desired boost level must be specified when ordering mostly all chips. Any substantial deviation from this boost level and fueling will not be correct. If one wants fueling control after the stock maf reads 255 then an extender and ls1 maf is one option.

This is all true. Once any sensor is maxed out, adjustments cannot be made. The newer MAF's have the capability if used in conjunction with the appropriate chip and translator to read air flow higher than the 255.

But the GM sensor when working, a savy chip guy.. can go a very long way.

The DIY system has the inherent problem of too much too low. Part throttle bogging. And issues with "dead band" on Hobbs switches.. whereby they activate at 8 psi and deactivate at 2/3/4 PSI. Maybe look at it like this, DIY system has 60 PSI. You run 10 PSI.. thats 50 effective. You run 25 PSI.. thats 35 effective. As the boost goes up, you have less alcohol introduced into the motor. HELLO.. Bueller . Now lets do progressive.. start it off at 5 PSI.. as the boost increases we hit the motor with more and more alky pressure. You run a 22 lb chip.. now you go to 25 PSI.. there is extra fueling.. go to 26..27.. etc.. less fiddling with the fuel pressure regulator. No bogging at part throttle activation.. seemless.

If your running exactly 25 PSI boost. And you have the correct amount of alky for 25 PSI boost and correct fuel.. there is zero advantage to having a progressive at 25 PSI boost.

Now.. getting to 25 PSI boost... thats another story.. this affects the car as it gets up to 25 PSI. For drivability.. hands down.. there is no comparison. Let alone the issues that 99% of our cars never run an exact amount of boost.

The 330 mark will pickup using my system at the track. I've tuned cars with DIY kits, SMC kits, and my own.. this is why I dont sell non-progressives.. becuase of the drivability issues. And the curve on the controller is key in bringing down the 330. A car with a fast 330.. will et better. Wanna bet

GM Hi-Tech March '06


Steve..
So your arguement is over what? A 189 dollar controller you say is not needed. Vs a 20-30 dollar hobbs switch+relay+wiring+fuse+connectors.. you say does the same thing. So your gripe is over what 150 bucks?

[stevemon]

I think we're discussing whether I would go faster with your controller vs the same money spent on some other mod. That isn't hard for me to figure out. You'll lose buddy.
Twist the rest of the story and readers however you want but bottom line is you don't offer the best bang for the buck to Joe Average TR owner.
That is all I have to say.

[Razor]

The discussion of whether "you" can go faster.. was never approached.

The discussion was "Progressive controllers are over-rated and not needed"
You started it.

The controller will allow for better alcohol delivery. This improves the way the car performs. Period. There will be no "HIT" when the system activates. Chip guys have tried tuning around the "HIT" without success.. Ask Eric, he will tell you its extremely touchy.. so you have either 100% WOT or nothing at all.

Since the cars air fuel is now a lot more stable, it runs better, and it provides a lot better value than a 62mm tb, ported elbow, and dutt neck..

A simple wideband hooked into the exhuast will confirm this. As getting the car to maintain a stable air fuel is attainable.

So maintaining a stable air fuel is not important in making power?

But then you will say, the majority will not have wide bands, the majority dont care, the majority will settle for less..the majority will be happy being slow..

Only matters if you care about the way the motor runs. If you dont care.. then its a non issue.

Great thing about the internet, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

[salvageV6]

For that 1.5 seconds, assuming a slow spooling turbo, that you need a progressive ramp a $5 resistor and a relay will work just fine.

DIY progressive.

Damm another opinion that ain't from a salesman.

[Razor]

1.5 seconds for what?

Guess that 1.5 seconds can help your 12 second 72 ball bearing equipped Turbo Regal huh?

Ohh I'm sorry.. it ran a high 11 years ago downhill

You guys stay DIY.. and be at the back of the pack.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

For that 1.5 seconds, assuming a slow spooling turbo, that you need a progressive ramp a $5 resistor and a relay will work just fine.

DIY progressive.

Damm another opinion that ain't from a salesman.

and you have a BIG turbo why ??? and only run what ??? how many people have 10 sec cars that run in the 12-13s ??? LOTS .. so who cares ?? ok have to go order my new Ford that will kick your overbuilt slug's ass oppps forgot ... you don't race

[nero]

Don't forget the X-factor... the "nero's" out there that aren't mechanically inclined! Would rather have a straight forward system like Julio's, although I've tried nothing else to compare to, I have had NO complaints.

Of course vendors are out to make money, it's their livelihood--forgone conclusion, wrap it up, let's stop bringing it up. I'm just wondering why there's such a negative view on the vendor's opinion as if Julio (or whoever else) are just a bunch of money-fiending, misers who are trying to syphon all your coinage?!

I'm sure there are tons of TR vendors that have no problem telling me, you or anyone else to kiss their cheeks... but then they'd be accused of being unprofessional?


---I'm not making sense

[stevemon]

I've installed alky kits on more than 30 TRs and I don't claim to know everything about them. I do know from test driving almost all those cars or riding in the passenger seat holding a laptop, that a DIY / Cooling Mist type Alky Kit set up with the pump pressure and nozzle size required for the application doesn't bog when the pedal is floored.

Yes it might take 2-3 test runs to get the setup optimized but I'm not going to listen to BS about how bad a car will perform if it doesn't run a progressive controller.

Those who want the convenience of a ready to install kit would come out well with a Cooling Mist kit. The price is very good for what you get. Braided hoses are not necessary and you don't need to spend $500 to have a reliable alky kit on your car. Put the additional $300 toward something else and you'll go faster than Julio and his PAC control freak... err controller. That's not BS.

[stevemon]

Kenny the blasts at Julio are just echoes off the wall from his slams at those he disagrees with. Salvages post didn't warrant a personal attack but Julio didn't miss a chance to get one in. He's an unprofessional vendor with an attitude.
Anyone disagreeing with that is blind.

[Razor]

You two guys(Stevemon, SalvageV6) are the ones holding the DIY flag.. and (Salvagev6) has been taking pot shots everytime my product is questioned.

The search function will tell the truth.

The title of this thread says "Alky Control kits".. not have questions or anything else. You jumped in with a negative comment.. well I rubbed your nose in it.

Funny how its always the guy with the 350 HP cars telling the guy with the 700 HP car what to do.

A simple Dyno pull, track run, something... Your basis is flawed.. as is how you go about modding these cars to make power. Your cheap way of doing things has cost you, and you wont admit it. Like saying the McDonalds .39 cent burger is the same as the Applebees 7.00 burger.. and comparing the two.

To say something is the same, is not needed, can be done differently.. and not provide any documented proof..

BG this year.. TA class.. whats up.. put up or shut up. Doesnt have to be your car.. it can be your friends/cousin/uncle/nephew/etc.. You have 3.5 months to show me how its done. That should be ample time no

[stevemon]

Julio,
I offered an option to your $500 kit that will outperform what you have dollar per dollar. You are the one pushing $500 expenditures on alky kits. I'm saying a Cooling Mist and $300 spent elsewhere will kick your butt in a race and you're avoiding the issue or suggesting someone invest in a trip to BG and all the expense that would entail.
I'll now say to you: Put up or Shut Up. Prove me wrong.
You can't do it and you know it. ChickenSh!t!!

[Razor]

Originally Posted by stevemon

I'm saying a Cooling Mist and $300 spent elsewhere will kick your butt in a race and you're avoiding the issue or suggesting someone invest in a trip to BG and all the expense that would entail.
I'll now say to you: Put up or Shut Up. Prove me wrong.
You can't do it and you know it. ChickenSh!t!!

Your slower than me. You will always be slower than me becuase of your ChickenSh!t ways of doing things. You have never have shown any positive results doing what your doing except "saying it works". What works for you is mediocre

Invest in a trip to your local dragstrip and show me results dont have to go to BG.. even tho for me the trip is 1800 miles.. I'm bringing my game to mutual spot closer to you so you cant complain.. so the playing field is level. I'm already hearing the excuses

Or Dyno

Nobody has ever kicked my butt in a race on pump gas with a 109 motor. This is a time slip from last Thursday nite on pump gas and drag radials..

1.656
4.482
6.835
104.05
8.886
10.627
128.07

What.. you need me to show the datalog? Or take a picture of the time slip?

Funny when I show results.. all I hear is crickets.

The LS1/Evo8/STi guys pay a tuner 500 bucks just to tune a PCM. Becuase of knowledge. The kit at 500 is a gift becuase of the knowledge/research associated with it. Your too cheap to ever appreciate this.

Come on and kick my butt.. put your money where your mouth is.

[Razor]

Ooh look.. from two weeks ago..

Wheels up....

[stevemon]

You said your car weighed 400 lbs more than my GN. That has to be BS. I have owned one of each and the TTA was under 3500 & the GN was 3600.

I said several times and I'm sure everone INCLUDING you caught it that if two stock GNs were given $500 the one with the Cooling Mist kit and $300 spent elsewhere would beat the one with your $500 kit.

I don't care how fast your car is Julio. It doesn't impresss me. Mine isn't meant to impress anyone so why bother throwing out comments about my slow car. Why do you belittle people or their cars who don't share your opinion? (look up chickensh!t in the dictionary and you might figure that out) Salvage made a constructive comment and you took off on him with a vengence. That's so typical of what I've seen from you and that behavior can only be described as chickensh!t. What a piece of work!

Different strokes for different folks when it comes to Buicks. I've owned mine for 11 years and have never broke the motor, the tranny has never went out and it has about 200 1/4 mile passes on it with a lot of 12.0s and a few of 11s. Might be a surprise to you but that's as fast as I care to go. Without cubic dollars to support a faster car, you aren't likely to enjoy the experience.

Now go prove that a $500 alky kit on a stock TR will beat a TR with $500 spent in any manner at all. You do that and I'll go buy one. (from Snow Performance )

[stevemon]

Now WTF is the reason for posting a link to a pic of your car lifting the wheels off a T-Brake launch????
Is the truth starting to hurt? Is Little Julio feeling down? Need to stroke your ego a bit? I think I've been giving you too much credit so you might want to just drop this till you're having a better day Dude. Good luck!