Alky kits, i have read to much and confused

[ULYCYC]

Holiday Inn Bristol 2002

[ULYCYC]

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[Razor]

Yup.. i've had such great results with alcohol over the last couple years, that a little seed has sprouted to something really great. The bad part has been the constant quest to make the car faster and faster. I just cant seem to be happy at its current level. Kinda like NOS.. you shoot a 25 shot.. works great.. the a 50--then a 100-then a 125 and you break the tranny..next thing you know..you have to run 150 all the time and wont drive the car knowing its much faster. Kind of a weird analogy..

I remebered you guys running around trying to get the gaskets that day at Bristol... I was there and looking at the oil preluber on your car.. and thought it was pretty cool you had come all the way there and raced your car. And remebered you thinking about towing it home and such..and then deciding to do the gasket there. Those are the stories that make events for me. On our way home, one of my buddies air bags had let go, with a loaded trunk, the left rear tire started rubbing.. well on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of no where( upper GA ), we pulled into a Kmart , I bought a mini basket ball, some duct tape, and made our own air bag

Steve, I run an electric 100 PSI pressure guage on my own car, and the only day I found myself using it was the first day it was on. Ever since, I hardly look at it. Its hard enough to keep my senses glued to whats going on around me when the pedal is down. You should know this.. one eye on the scanmaster, on eye on the road, one eye looking for guys hiding behind bushes, one eye on the tach.. i'm outa eyes.. Kinda like what boost do you run? I'm I dunno.. cant look at that and get the eyeball of the SM.

Anyways If i've ruffled any feathers promoting my system, my apologies.

[ULYCYC]

No ruffled feathers at all. I think it's great to have more vendors supplying products. Just looking for a little clarification so everyone knows that you are giving info about your product.Good luck with your product. By the way after the head gasket repair in the morning I ran 12.1 at 10lbs of boost to break it in, Then drove it all the way home to NYC.

[STOMPN 6]

Oh forgot. I do have braided teflon hoses, alky filter, and a pump on indicator light. and may even install a pressure gage in the future, no limit to the amount of features you can add, if you want/ need them.

And I do have heads,cam,intercooler,turbo and run 22psi on pump gas on the street, never run on the track but if I did I would run racing fuel, not trying to set any records on alky.

[Razor]

Ed, I was there that AM.. boy where you tensed up..hehehe..

Stompn 6, I never run race gas anymore. it throws the tune off on the car. And really at best its a mix.. not straight.

Why not set some records on alky.. cant see why you cant. Ive yet to tap my system out.. Blew past 30 PSI two weeks ago .. not by intent but none the less..

22 is cool..keeps the tranny happy longer.

[14mins]

Razor- Looks like you have a good system. I am going to read some more tonight while i drink the alky left in the fridge from yesterday

[Steve Wood]

You certainly did not ruffle my feathers...I think your kit looks very nice.

[Red Regal T]

I'm looking for an inexpensive alky kit that fits under my hood, has cockpit controls, works all the time, has lifetime warranty, and won't be hard for my mechanic to install for me.

[STOMPN 6]

Razor, your alky system looks like the best one on the market and if I needed more than I have now it would be my first choice.

But for what I use it for, my DIY kit is more than enough.

PS.. I don't have any feathers too ruffle

[87GTA-turbo]

Does the spray nozzle have mount into the up pipe?
can it be mounted on the turbo inlet where the breather tube from the RH valve cover was?
Or what about at the inlet of the IC wouldnt that work?

[Steve Wood]

some sand dragsters used to mount it on the turbo inlet, but, some may have damaged the blades from the liquid hitting the blades.

Some have put it in the IC....I think the best atomization might come from the ic outlet or the up pipe due to the quantity and velocity of air that has been reconcentrated in the outlet.

Some believe that the location is critical and should be x distant from the valve in order to achieve maximum vaporization in the combustion chamber.

There was one adapter that put the inlet behind the throttle blade....

Some were afraid to put it in the IC lest it somehow get ignited there.

Some are afraid to use to much alky and dilute it down until it will not burn.

There have been a jillion discussions over the chemistry involved and just about any combination of locations, spray nozzles, and mixtures seems to work pretty well.

[NCBuickGN]

Any body used the old-school ATR 7th-injector plenum set-up exclusively for alky, instead of gas?

[Slow T]

That was my first though when I had my 7th injector set up but after reading and asking questions on this board,I learned that the injector won't work well or long with Alky.

[Razor]

Boy did this thread take-off. My first idea when I started doing this was to get controllers on cars that had a DIY kit on them already.. RedRegalT.. except they wanted to spend money hehe

The whole system has to be able and handle alcohol. tank, pump lines, nozzle's', etc. I feel the closer to the throttle body the better. Your misting alcohol into the motor thus saturating the air coming out of the IC. Once this stuff gets into the motor, and past the intake valve, then is when the majic happens.

This is why the turnon point of your system has to be typically a few lbs less than where your motor knocks at. It takes time for the pump to spin, lines to prime/spray, get into the up-pipe past the TB.etc. As the boost rises, if your car knocks at 16 PSI, then if you turn it on at 16 psi, the needle will be at 20 PSI before alky will be in the motor. This cuases your scan tool to show KR due to the octane issue from 16-20 PSI. So you turn it on at 12, by the time the car is at 16. its spraying. Watch your boost guage climb.. doesnt take a whole lot of time to get from 12-16. cars that spool really fast, run aggressive timing chips, loose converters, run high boost 25 + PSI, etc.. are the trickier ones to get rid of that KR that happens from turnon point issues. Not talking roll into the throttle in third gear.. I mean stomp in from a dead stop. And the alky requirment of my car at 28 PSI is way way higher than it is at 8 PSI. I shoot the same volume I run at 28 PSI at 12 PSI turnon, you should see the black smoke when I hit 12 PSI and the system fires 125 PSI pressure.

What are the fixes, multistage system, whereas you run one nozzle that kicks on at 12 PSI, one other nozzle at 20 PSI. this is a good bandaid, but hampers fueling with boost changing on a run. Eliminates transitional KR, but requires 2 solenoids, 2 hobbs switches, 2 sets of relays, fittings, connectors, etc

The other is a progressive system, whereas the amount pumped into the motor is relative to boost pressure. This way it eliminates the giant skew of AFR drop that occurs at 12 PSI when a typical system fires. Example, on mine, the system comes on at 3 psi, and sends a small signal to the pump..this gets it spinning slow and alcohol moving in the lines and into the motor at a very low rate. As the boost rises and the controller gets more signal from the MAP sensor, it drives the pump harder and harder.. and changes that occur in boost are now self adjusting. Drop your boost.you dont need to retune your system. up your boost .. same..it automatically compensates..

Will a car running at 22 PSI boost with a DIY kit/SMC kit and tuned at that level make more power with my controller.. no. Once optimum level of alky is found.. there is nothing thats going to improve the performance at that specific boost level. but if that car shot to 30 PSI with the tune for 22, then there wouldnt be sufficient alcohol to sustain that boost pressure. This is an area where design makes a whole world of difference. guys with boost creep, blows of a waste gate hose, change a chip with a different wg setting, etc.. Drivability is improved, as is consumption of liquid..at low boost low consumption..high boost..high consumption. its a no brainer.

Hope this gives a little alky insight.