Spray thru for alchy/water?

mike85gn · 05-29-2002, 01:28 PM

Hey is it possible to use an alchy kit which sprays thru the turbo? In the hot air config, it's a little hard to locate a nozzle between the turbo and intake.

PRSRIZD_V6 · 05-29-2002, 01:58 PM

I've heard of people doing some real bad damage with a setup like that... can't think of who it was.

In a hotair is there room to drill the manifold for nitrous nozzles? Maybe 2 really small jetted nozzles in the center of the intake or something? Dunno.

Steve Wood · 05-29-2002, 02:25 PM

It has been done..but it has also sawed the blades off as well. Someone is running alky on a hot air car, tho...someone should speak up. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif

Apparently Zap is locked in the bathroom studying feet so I am sure Louie will fill the void....

salvageV6 · 05-29-2002, 02:37 PM

I'm not sure Louie could fill those shoes...

So to speak. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Steve Wood · 05-29-2002, 03:28 PM

So to speak? http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Not even using sign language!

Zap · 05-30-2002, 09:47 AM

Tube from EGR screws into the base of the manifold. I wonder if anyone has tried to make an adapter for alchy to screw in here? Drawbacks?

The Radius Kid · 05-30-2002, 12:06 PM

Sawing off turbine blades?Somebody wan't using a small enough orifice with good pressure.Two .015" NOS jets should work.You have to atomize the water,water/alchol mix.Otherwise the water acts like a cutting jet.
Here's what I plan to try:
Two NOS jets[.015"]located 4" from the turbo compressor inlet.
One pressurized holding tank.
One washer pump.
One solenoid w/ Hobbs switch control set for 10 psi.
Here's the way it should work;
Boost comes up turning on Hobbs switch.
Pump starts injecting water,water/alchohol mix into intake pipe.
As boost rises,container becomes pressurized at higher and higher rates,forcing more mixture at higher rates and better atomization into pipe.
This system,or a variation thereof has been used in the past and seems to work well.
Aguy up our way[Turbo Joe],runs a Kawasaki bike with a turbo kit he designed himself,I believe.Before the kit the bike ran tens.With the kit he got mid nines.
That was only with the pressurized container,no pump.
So basing my plans on his past experience and the findings of others,it should work.
Two patents have been issued over the years for a similar system.
One was to Fedden and Anderson in 1936.
The other was to Maurice Goudard 1942.
The only thing that might help this is to include a boost controlled shutoff valve for the mixture and boost feed to the container.
As you might have guessed,I have some logistics to work out,but I think I can make it work.

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Give em' hell!

Steve Wood · 05-30-2002, 12:58 PM

Send your new turbo bill to RK! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif

PRSRIZD_V6 · 05-30-2002, 01:31 PM

I wonder if turbos had cast iron guts back then?

I also bet that Ronco has a bunch of patents on useless crap. I'd rather have a pocket fisherman than a turbine destroying alcohol system. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif

salvageV6 · 05-30-2002, 01:54 PM

Ouch, those guys are meana$$es. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/eek.gif

I say go for it, I'll be next in line right behind you! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif

Steve Wood · 05-30-2002, 02:17 PM

Sand draggers used to do it....but...more than one has lost a compressor wheel doing it.

There was a big debate on this topic a few years ago on the list. Seems like Jason Cramer or his father had some experience with it.

Rick Starkey · 05-30-2002, 02:56 PM

On my 85 GN there was threaded plug in the front lower right hand side of the plenum area, I don't know if that would work. I know when that backs out its not a good deal.

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70 GS350
66 GS 400 4spd 2/4s
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WFO · 05-30-2002, 02:58 PM

lee thompson runs one of his alky stages spraying into the turbo.john craig builds his turbos and told lee that if the alky was properly atomized it wouldn't hurt the wheel.

that egr port is a good idea zap,i'll have to check that out.

later,sean

Steve Wood · 05-30-2002, 07:02 PM

Chemical Intercooling! The man is smart!

PRSRIZD_V6 · 05-30-2002, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by salvageV6:
I'll be next in line right behind you! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif

I'll be behind you yelling "It'll NEVER work", then I'll do it if it does. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Seriously though, are you planning on injecting straight methanol (sorry, insert your favorite alcohol there) RK? If using part water mix I'd be careful that the water might condense in the IC. Might want a drain plug in the bottom of it otherwise.

05-29-2002, 01:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
mike85gn Moderator/Procrastinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: winnipeg, mb. Posts: 1,500	Spray thru for alchy/water? Hey is it possible to use an alchy kit which sprays thru the turbo? In the hot air config, it's a little hard to locate a nozzle between the turbo and intake. __________________ Mikey B. - Team Jack Stand Racing Permanent Work-In-Progress

05-29-2002, 01:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
PRSRIZD_V6 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Flint, MI USA Posts: 1,197	I've heard of people doing some real bad damage with a setup like that... can't think of who it was. In a hotair is there room to drill the manifold for nitrous nozzles? Maybe 2 really small jetted nozzles in the center of the intake or something? Dunno. __________________ Gavin

05-29-2002, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,899	It has been done..but it has also sawed the blades off as well. Someone is running alky on a hot air car, tho...someone should speak up. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif Apparently Zap is locked in the bathroom studying feet so I am sure Louie will fill the void.... __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-29-2002, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
salvageV6 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 6,406	I'm not sure Louie could fill those shoes... So to speak. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif __________________ WE4, 155K, Daily Driver, DBLBBGT70, 55lb.Inj., Pedophile DP, hollow cat.,Schertz Hi-Pro and 3200Protorque, Postons Headers, 2 1/2"SS Ultraflows and pipes, Ex.Ext. alky chip, EGT/Bilsteins, Boxed Cont. arms/Airbags/snubber,Blizzak snows, Nittos 275/60DR, 307, adj.reg./ SMC alky dual, 9 gauges,scamaster and D.Scan,BSTC, translator and 31/2"MAF, V4 inter. DYNO. TESTED!!! 11.93 @ 113.7 GN loaded, car #2. 115K miles. Accufab reg.,Scanmaster, Reds 100 chip, Mease downpipe, Mease 15row stretch IC, hollow cat., ATR ss. 3"crossflow, SMC alky., J.J. 62mm.T.B., RJC power plate, Bilsteins, Moog springs, HR Parts mount and rear arms, Nittos. "Some Cars Like Lots Of Fuel Pressure and Some Cars Are On Blocks." 12.4 @ 111

05-29-2002, 03:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,899	So to speak? http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Not even using sign language! __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-30-2002, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Zap Boorn Looser Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 21,254	Tube from EGR screws into the base of the manifold. I wonder if anyone has tried to make an adapter for alchy to screw in here? Drawbacks? __________________ In 1970, Dr. John Goodfellow astounded the Scientific community with his incredible invention, the "Idiot Magnet". Unfortunately, just as he was about to leave the USA for a European tour, he stopped over in Washington D.C. for a brief demonstration. The magnet has been stuck there, immovable, ever since Join the NRA

05-30-2002, 12:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
The Radius Kid Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada Posts: 9,094	Sawing off turbine blades?Somebody wan't using a small enough orifice with good pressure.Two .015" NOS jets should work.You have to atomize the water,water/alchol mix.Otherwise the water acts like a cutting jet. Here's what I plan to try: Two NOS jets[.015"]located 4" from the turbo compressor inlet. One pressurized holding tank. One washer pump. One solenoid w/ Hobbs switch control set for 10 psi. Here's the way it should work; Boost comes up turning on Hobbs switch. Pump starts injecting water,water/alchohol mix into intake pipe. As boost rises,container becomes pressurized at higher and higher rates,forcing more mixture at higher rates and better atomization into pipe. This system,or a variation thereof has been used in the past and seems to work well. Aguy up our way[Turbo Joe],runs a Kawasaki bike with a turbo kit he designed himself,I believe.Before the kit the bike ran tens.With the kit he got mid nines. That was only with the pressurized container,no pump. So basing my plans on his past experience and the findings of others,it should work. Two patents have been issued over the years for a similar system. One was to Fedden and Anderson in 1936. The other was to Maurice Goudard 1942. The only thing that might help this is to include a boost controlled shutoff valve for the mixture and boost feed to the container. As you might have guessed,I have some logistics to work out,but I think I can make it work. ------------------ Give em' hell! __________________ Politics is the art of glad-handing,passionate bllsht and hidden agendas.

05-30-2002, 12:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,899	Send your new turbo bill to RK! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-30-2002, 01:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
PRSRIZD_V6 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Flint, MI USA Posts: 1,197	I wonder if turbos had cast iron guts back then? I also bet that Ronco has a bunch of patents on useless crap. I'd rather have a pocket fisherman than a turbine destroying alcohol system. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif __________________ Gavin

05-30-2002, 01:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
salvageV6 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 6,406	Ouch, those guys are meana$$es. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/eek.gif I say go for it, I'll be next in line right behind you! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif __________________ WE4, 155K, Daily Driver, DBLBBGT70, 55lb.Inj., Pedophile DP, hollow cat.,Schertz Hi-Pro and 3200Protorque, Postons Headers, 2 1/2"SS Ultraflows and pipes, Ex.Ext. alky chip, EGT/Bilsteins, Boxed Cont. arms/Airbags/snubber,Blizzak snows, Nittos 275/60DR, 307, adj.reg./ SMC alky dual, 9 gauges,scamaster and D.Scan,BSTC, translator and 31/2"MAF, V4 inter. DYNO. TESTED!!! 11.93 @ 113.7 GN loaded, car #2. 115K miles. Accufab reg.,Scanmaster, Reds 100 chip, Mease downpipe, Mease 15row stretch IC, hollow cat., ATR ss. 3"crossflow, SMC alky., J.J. 62mm.T.B., RJC power plate, Bilsteins, Moog springs, HR Parts mount and rear arms, Nittos. "Some Cars Like Lots Of Fuel Pressure and Some Cars Are On Blocks." 12.4 @ 111

05-30-2002, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,899	Sand draggers used to do it....but...more than one has lost a compressor wheel doing it. There was a big debate on this topic a few years ago on the list. Seems like Jason Cramer or his father had some experience with it. __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

05-30-2002, 02:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rick Starkey Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Malta MT USA Posts: 10	On my 85 GN there was threaded plug in the front lower right hand side of the plenum area, I don't know if that would work. I know when that backs out its not a good deal. ------------------ 85 GN Gone to the Big D 70 GS350 66 GS 400 4spd 2/4s GSCA #587

05-30-2002, 02:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
WFO Habitual Line Stepper Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Eugene,Or Posts: 401	lee thompson runs one of his alky stages spraying into the turbo.john craig builds his turbos and told lee that if the alky was properly atomized it wouldn't hurt the wheel. that egr port is a good idea zap,i'll have to check that out. later,sean __________________ 84 GN 12.01@114.5 99 F250 PSD/6 spd 65 Plymouth Sport Fury Twin Turbo coming soon...

05-30-2002, 07:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Steve Wood An American American Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 36,899	Chemical Intercooling! The man is smart! __________________ ------------------ 'A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is also big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson I think one should worry more when people are lining up to get out of a country rather than into it. If they're sneaking in, we must be doing something right. The Chronicles of Zap, from the early 21st century www.vortexbuicks-etc.com

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