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Old 05-30-2002, 09:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'll be behind you yelling "It'll NEVER work", then I'll do it if it does. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Seriously though, are you planning on injecting straight methanol (sorry, insert your favorite alcohol there) RK? If using part water mix I'd be careful that the water might condense in the IC. Might want a drain plug in the bottom of it otherwise.

I don't think condensation will be a problem.Ever drive your car on a cold,rainy day?The power is even higher than on just a cold day,at least in my case.That's what got me thinking.
As long as the water/alchohol mix is atomized properly,it should not present problems to the compressor wheel.
Probably won't get it worked out til' next year[too much else to do]on the new combo.
But then again,you never know.
Steve,you're a mean ass,but thanks for the heads up.Forewarned is forearmed.



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Old 05-30-2002, 10:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Don't drive my car in the rain.

How do you rate power? I dunno if my park ave makes more power in the rain or not, cause it'll just buzz the tire(s). I still have to think that even 100% humidity would have less condensation issues in the IC.

My reasoning for this is based on working on my camaro on the side of the road one rainy day. I figured it was sucking in water, well pulled off the air cleaner and the top of the carb was dry as a bone. Thusly, I think air fliters also serve as a condenser for intake air, the filter will get damp, but the carb stays dry. I have no factual basis for believing that a paper or cotton filter can serve as an air dryer, but I have none to dispute it either.

BTW - The remedy for the camaro was a can of gas, never did like the fuel level gauge in that car. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif
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Old 05-30-2002, 11:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't think condensation will be a problem.Ever drive your car on a cold,rainy day?The power is even higher than on just a cold day,at least in my case.That's what got me thinking.

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If your car runs better on wet days, then you are running too lean. The higher the humidity, the lousier the air. Look at one of the density altitude calculations and you will see that humidity raises the altitude. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif Lower the temp, the lower the altitude.

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Old 05-31-2002, 08:42 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Actually,I don't think it's too lean[I have an S/M 2].But what I do remember is that moisture is good at decarboning cylinders,as well as a few other things.

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Old 05-31-2002, 12:19 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Actually,I don't think it's too lean[I have an S/M 2].But what I do remember is that moisture is good at decarboning cylinders,as well as a few other things.


Damn, you do the Texas Side Step pretty good.

Cars go slower on humid days than the do on dry days when the temp is the same.

But, you are right, we used to suck water in thru a vacuum hose at fast idle when the engine was really hot and blow all kinda stuff out the tailpipes as the steam went to work.

ATR even listed a decarbonizing gel kit for our cars. I always wondered what happened when a chunk of carbon hit the blades....

Put an alky kit on and the engine will never have any carbon build up in the cylinder.
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"I always wondered what happened when a chunk of carbon hit the blades...."

Not much to a stock turbo. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif

Anything aftermarket and lookout. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif
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Talk about being a big help, now I know why I never post there much anymore... http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...threadid=41995
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I do remember some saying that they have drilled a hole somewhere in the center of the manifold for alchy injection. But you know what you get for listening to what "they" say. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Damn, you do the Texas Side Step pretty good.
Thanks Slim!Coming from you,this "tenderfoot" takes that as quite the compliment. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



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Old 05-31-2002, 06:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I do remember some saying that they have drilled a hole somewhere in the center of the manifold for alchy injection. But you know what you get for listening to what "they" say. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/smile.gif
Wow! If I could only remember what the first reply to this thread was. It was so long ago, what wisdom could have been shared back then?
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That's where I remember it from! You'll get old some day and forget first posts!
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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!

Don't go saying I've done it, I just suggested it. I dunno If I've even seen a hotair in person. If I have seen one I forgot about it already.

What'd you just say?

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I wonder if injecting downstream of the throttle blade would cause the alcohol to be sucked out of the line by the vacuum that is normally present at that point?
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Hmm.We talking about say the upo pipe?That is pressurized,but there is velocity in there,so it shouldn't be too hard[ie.,pressure wise]to inject the mixture with a setup like I described.I'm just wondering how all this will work with a relocated maf.

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Old 06-01-2002, 09:21 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Hi! Stupid newbie here! Just thought I'd throw something in for you guys to berate me on. http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/wink.gif

Over in the 3rd Gen Eclipse world, Xtech Engineering has developed a turbo kit for a very non-turbo car. After months of exhaustive R&D, they scrapped the FMIC and went with this:
http://www.xtecheng.com/projects/3G_...l/3G_after.jpg
a Spearco Air-to-liquid intercooler

I can't remember exactly, but supposedly the gains were in the 20% neighborhood, due to space constrictions. The website for them is www.xtecheng.com, and the owner is Chris Clough, a very nice guy that helped out a bunch of power hungry guys over at Club3G

I'm sure it would require some fancy custom piping, but it seems to me like it would be worth it. I was contemplating an 85 recently, and looked around for a similar product in the GN/TR parts sites I found, and didn't see one.

Anyway, stupid newbie - over and out! http://www.turbobuicks.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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